(PV) Fear among the GOP candidates

[DanTheEldest]

*stands up and salutes*

Welcome back, sir....welcome back. I'll set up a perimeter and post sentries to keep an eye out for Delija.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Thanks guys--I appreciate the welcome.

My son is due at the end of October. The reason I've been gone for so long is that I received a promotion to management where I work. Last Monday, I had my first day off since late July! Last week, I worked 5 consecutive days from 7am until 2 in the morning

That combined with getting ready for the new baby has kept my wife and I VERY busy. I actually logged in here a couple days ago for the first time since early July. I was going to lurk for awhile longer, but that comment about how there is no proof that moveon.org is financially connected to the dems was simply too much....

I probably won't be contributing 20+ posts per day, but I'll be in and out.

Thanks again for the welcome. It is good to see that all the familiar faces are still alive and well.

Frank

[FrankRizzoXD40]

(PV) Fear among the GOP candidates

Etta place......

Frank

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Hey Frank!!

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Hey Frank!!

What's up, my friend? Did your milk-carton effort to find bd ever succeed?

I tried calling Nancy Pelosi and OBL, but they haven't seen him either...

Frank

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by justgotback

This week, MoveOn.org, the liberal interest group that practically funds the Democratic Party...

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Where do you get the idea that MoveOn.org funds the Democratic Party? Where's the proof?

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

WOW--this comment alone was more than enough to draw me back into the XDTALK political fray!!!

Hmmm....it is pretty much common knowledge that moveon.org plays a HUGE part in funding the democrat party and it's candidates.

This from cnn.com, using the Federal Election Commission as a source....



The full story is here....
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...org-donations/

Frank

I prepared a response to justgotback and you regarding my statement about MoveOn.org. But it's at home and I'm still at work. I will try to wing it, but I had some great quotes. Maybe I can post the full thing when I get home later tonight.

I stand corrected. MoveOn.org contributes quite a bit to Democratic candidates and the MoveOn.org PAC contributes to the Democratic Party. When justgotback said they "practically fund the Democratic Party," I thought he was talking about the DNC as though MoveOn.org and the Democratic Party always are in alignment and are basically one and the same. MoveOn.org does not support all Democrats, only those whose views are in alignment with its members.

[Etta Place]

I said:

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Did you add this after the fact?
I think most of the people who listen to conservative talk radio are middle class folks, probably many of them so-called "Reagan Democrats." I think many of these people are populists, rather than economic conservatives. I bet if you took a poll of all of the Rush and O'Reilly listeners, most of them want Social Security. Many of them probably want a better healthcare system in this country and wouldn't be opposed to the government running it.

In my opinion, what upsets many of these people is the decline in social standards and morality in this country and a cheapening of our culture through an emphasis on consumerism (including the marketing of sex), as well as a left wing in this country that they view as elitist and out of touch with regular Americans.

You said:

I've listened to numerous hosts for quite a long time, and I can tell you that the average audience to conservative radio spans the entire gamut of our populace, from hard-core right, to various shades of middle, all the way to the wingnut left who tune in to hear what the "enemy" is saying. It's quite possibly the most diverse audience of any entertainment media around--something the liberal mind doesn't usually note.

Many want Social Security, and even I think it's a decent program when viewed within its limits. It was originally supposed to be a supplement for those few who reached later years to add to their own retirement savings, but it has since become the "go-to" government substitute for personal financial responsibility. I believe it needs to stay in some form because reasonable elder care is the moral thing to do, but it needs a drastic overhaul, and that's all most of the "talk radio crowd" believes--allow for more personal involvement in how their personal accounts are managed, and let some of the funds be investable where they can do more good. As it is now, the Feds use S.S. as just another source of revenue; it ceased to be a "lockbox" decades ago (if it ever was) and is now just another pay-as-you-go program. With the huge numbers of Baby Boomers retiring in the next decade or two, many of whom expect the government to regard them as they regard their generation (the center of the universe), S.S. is in big trouble without some meaningful reforms.

The fact that many favor the idea of government-run healthcare doesn't automatically make it a good idea. Anybody who's ever talked candidly with Canadians, Australians, or the various Scandinavian nations who have socialized medicine will come to stark realizations about its severe limitations (I'd recommend sending a PM to Brickboy about this if you doubt me; he's got relatives in Sweden who can tell you the real story of this type of thing). Those who favor it either don't understand that "there is no such thing as a free lunch" (taxes would rise to 50%+ as they do in other heavily socialized nations), or they're under the mistaken notion that having government run anything is better than private enterprise. As a general principle, government in general can do anything the private enterprise system can do, but at half the efficiency and for three times the price. It sounds nice to say "free healthcare for everybody", and it's an idea politicos love to throw around to attract the economically ignorant, but as a practical reality it leaves much more to be desired than the current (albeit flawed) system we have today.

In my opinion, what upsets many of these people is the decline in social standards and morality in this country and a cheapening of our culture through an emphasis on consumerism (including the marketing of sex), as well as a left wing in this country that they view as elitist and out of touch with regular Americans.

No arguments there. People listen to conservative radio for a host of reasons, and with an equally large range of opinions on the issues, many of which concern the degradation and decline of the family unit and the growing sense of contempt in which the liberal left holds traditional principles of morality.

I don't know where you get your information about the diversity of audience for conservative talk radio. Can you provide that or is it just anecdotal from your experience?

Baby Boomers ARE the "center of the universe!" I am one, and that's how I look at myself. You and I are in agreement pretty much on Social Security and healthcare.

If Social Security was changed to allow individuals to invest, I think there's the chance (the likelihood) that if the government is charged with investing everyone's money in the stock market or in mutual funds, or if they require people to do it, there's another opportunity for politicians to have their hands out to securities industry and financial services lobbyists.

Regarding healthcare, I don't know the answer. I have excellent insurance through my employer. However, many people don't have insurance or they have very little or very expensive insurance. What do we do about them? There is a lot of inequity in the system. I think everyone should have some sort of basic coverage. But, there again, the wealthy can buy whatever medical treatment they need and the poor and even middle class folks cannot. I don't want socialized medicine by any means. I actually have a more favorable view of Milton Friedman's ideas on healthcare - that when third parties enter the mix, costs go up dramatically. There is huge bureacracy in government-run healthcare systems and in the private sector as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional principles of morality." I don't think values have been degraded by the "liberal left" as much as they have been by the marketplace and rampant consumerism. Rupert Murdoch has made a fortune on marketing sleaze and then condemning it on his news channel. That just galls me. It's corporations who control what we see and the sorts of entertainment that is provided. However, it is people who watch it. Each person has a choice to make whether they want cheap thrills and titillation or something more uplifting and of higher quality.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

What's up, my friend? Did your milk-carton effort to find bd ever succeed?

I tried calling Nancy Pelosi and OBL, but they haven't seen him either...

Frank

I never did find him, Big Rizz. I am S.O.L.

Glad you are back around.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

I never did find him, Big Rizz. I am S.O.L.

Glad you are back around.

Thanks, buddy. Glad to see that you are still posting here!

How is your good buddy, Ted Nugent doing?

Frank

[yur_maker]

I am a cop and know lots of them and have only met one who had an issue with this and he is no longer a cop and was arrested.

Your Full of Yourself, The Law enforcement Profession Has a Higher rate of Wife Battery Than any other profession, Its Full of a bunch of Coward Morons All The Rest of Us Kicked the crap out of in High School, Now They Beat there wives or some Black man in Hand cuffs to sooth there inferiority complex. That's A Fact and Your Probably one of the wife beaters which is why You Chimed right in. (Try Beating on Someone Your own Size,)

I never Met an intelligent Repuffigan and it was Proven that Libs are More intelligent as almost all professors and teaching institutions are liberal,
A Study recently Showed Liberals studied More and Read more literature. Even Bill Gate and Albert Einstein are liberals.
The Repuffican Base is all KKK and Skinheads.

Deni it , I Know You Will Because its Like General George Patton Said, "Talking to a Repuffican is Like Talking to a Drunker, You Just Can't Tell Em Anything."

As For Hillary, My Votes on Edwards but Bubbles the Monkey would be better than Juliani, I mean I moved out of NY to Escape that Dumb Bastage, The Moron is anti gun, Pro illegal alien, Pro NAFTA and Pro CAFTA, Pro WAR, and had the 911 firemen arrested for trying to find there Brothers in the twin tower wreckage.
Look at Bush , He has the brain of a monkey after all that alcohol and cocaine abuse.
Or what about Newt who was stiping His secretary while trying to prosecute Clinton for the same thing LMAO.
The Whole Republican Lineup is Full of Homosexuals and Child Molesters, It would be Laughable if it were not so Disgusting.

You Repufficans Got a Record of Thievery , lowdown Filthy Acts and Child Molestation This is Fact You Have to Live with.
Your Base is Mostly Under Educated Low Life Drop Outs Who Just Don't Know Better, As There to Busy Drinking Beer and Spittin Tobacco.
50% Don't Even Work but Complain "Why are The are Blacks on Welfare."
The Hypocrisy is Laughable.

I'm Praying for all You Naive Republicans as Your Gonna Need Some Forgiveness Up above.