(PV) Fear among the GOP candidates

[LKB3rd]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Where do you get the idea that MoveOn.org funds the Democratic Party? Where's the proof?

I am not a Democrat, but these right wing talking points irritate the hell out of me. Who told you that the mainstream media was liberal? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O'Reilly? I could show you as many Democrats who say the opposite - that the mainstream media favors Bush. The mainstream media favors the establishment view. They are a business. For instance, NBC is 80% owned by General Electric. General Electric is a significant supplier to the Defense Department. It doesn't make sense for them to be anti-war.

The sooner people get past partisanship in this country, the sooner we will have a chance for real, constructive change that benefits all of us.

I don't see it as democrat or republican. I see it as "establishment." They may disagree on gay marriage and abortion, but other than that they are ALL in favor of taking our money and giving it to someone or other who is a parasite on our society. The republicans want to give it to their corporate buddies, oil companies, and defense contractors. Democrats want to give it to illegal aliens and people who don't want to work, AND their liberal rich buddies.

If they can get us arguing back and forth about democrats vs republicans, liberals vs democrats, we might not notice that they ALL are not interested in what is good for us, only what benefits them and their cronies.

[Dhunter55]

Originally Posted by LKB3rd

If they can get us arguing back and forth about democrats vs republicans, liberals vs democrats, we might not notice that they ALL are not interested in what is good for us, only what benefits them and their cronies.

The old "divide and conquer."

[LKB3rd]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Well I can see where your coming from, so answer me this;

If you really think the Federal government is the top of the food chain, and there is no accountability to higher authority, who elects the people who then appoint others to federal government positions?

Why do we have elections?
Who should the Federal government answer to?

You say they answer to no higher authority, I really hope you do not believe this. If everyone thought this way we could christen the king and live as subjects under the rule of a monarchy.

I AM THE HIGHER AUTHORITY. You are all as well. We need to start acting like it though.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by LKB3rd

I AM THE HIGHER AUTHORITY. You are all as well. We need to start acting like it though.

Agreed, but Tempest ............ well, did he respond to this yet?

[eric_t12]

Originally Posted by Tempest

The same thing that they are killing our troops and 2000 local Islamics a month with. They have hit the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Russia, Thailand and others...and oh yeah that little 911 thing here. They are very well equipped to do damage anywhere on the globe.

they are going to follow us home on IED's and AK47 rounds? why do i find that hard to believe... my statement was -

Originally Posted by eric_t12

or would they use disarmed civillian airliners and poor immigration/air-/sea-security policies to attack us like they have already and very well could no matter we (the soldiers) are posted.

disarmed civillian airliners and poor immigration control policy - remember that little 9/11 thing?

hit the middle-east, africa, russia...? how did they get into the country if they're terrorists? wouldn't that be poor immigration control policy? well equipped to do damage anywhere on the globe? you mean by invading us with their military, or using faults and cracks in immigration control policy? or do they have ICBMs they can fire at us from their huts in Pakistan and saudi arabia?

The best tool to fight them with is the US Military. Other methods were tried, and failed.

i said we should use something else to fight al qaeda with? and what other methods have we tried? we financed the head of alqaeda in afghanistan and the evil saddam in the iran iraq war... care to explain our sponsorship of state-sponsors of terror? iran-contra affair. backing saddam against iran. backing osama against the soviets... oh but we were just fighting the soviets expansion then, so its ok, right? who cares if we furnished our own assault...

Setting up a stable democracy in the heart of the Middle East is what these countries do NOT want. It is these countries that are funding and manning the forces that we are fighting. That's why they call them insurgents.

what's your definition of stable? how long and how expensive will that be? if you're so psyched about fighting the filthy terrorists i would ask you to go to the recruiter station, or join the DoD/CIA/FBI/ICE who all have agents here... please. Shinseki was right and we could use some more people. 2 years for 20k i think was the latest bonus i heard, or are you otherwise occuppied? why do i bet that's so... i find it funny how most of the staunch war-backers aren't even here.

Who died? The ones that helped us and believed in us. And guess what? We SCREWED them and their families because [b]we promised[b] that we would support them and didn't. And people continue to die because it is still a communist country where individuals mean jack squat. Burma, Cambodia, and others? How many have died AFTER we left?

if they wanted to help us so much why wasn't the whole country enlisted in the So. Vietnamese Army? they were 'fighting for their freedom'... now if they believed in our promise (that was nearly impossible to keep) that's different, some people promise us somethings and deliver others...

and as for cambodia, you mean the khmer rouge right? not like we had any hand in their regaining control from vietnam... and weren't they such great allies of ours, killing thousands because they were 'educated'. glad we got them to remove the vietnamese invaders tho, right? of course, you didn't know that did you? maybe you did and just ignored it?

Same goes for Iraq. Are you willing to sacrifice all those that supported us and the gains that have been made over there so we can run away with our tail between our legs AGAIN? Are you willing to make the lives of our soilders that have made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq meaningless? Because that is what will happen if we simply walk away.

if you read what i posted right above that - yes, same DOES go for iraq, doesn't it? backing people who become ruthless dictators all in search for defeating a 'current' enemy... same DOES go for iraq. and saddam. and Manuel Noreaga. and the Shah of Iran.

am i willing to sacrifice those who died? they wouldn't have died if we wouldn't have invaded. if your mom gave you a glass of curdled milk, would you sacrifice her effort by pouring it all down the drain, or would you drink it and make her effort worthwhile?

if you screw up you don't keep trying and trying to make it work, you scrap it and admit your mistake. you don't lie about how it was all for a different reason and try to challenge the patriotism of those who know it didn't start off for your new reason. but don't worry, i'm sure the analogy will be poor and my arguments 'weak and factless', but that's okay, at least i post them. and i'm not challenging your patriotism for backing a war, which helps me sleep at night...

that's okay, we're all moonbat lefty paulites who are bent on the destruction of the US and would hug all the Al Qaeda terrorists, aren't we? i think that should be part of someone's signature line! RP SAID IT! SEE? HE HATES AMERICA!

[AZXD]

And still the diversionary tactics continue. Forget the story and divert attention to ......... anything else.

So why hasn't one of them managed to come up with a cogent message that appeals to a wide spectrum of Americans?

The reason we have not heard a decent speech yet from any of them is fear.

They are afraid to rile the party base to appeal to new voters. They are afraid to contradict Bush too loudly for fear of alienating their president.

They are afraid to be different.

Except for the one-issue candidates, such as Tancredo who speaks only about how much he hates illegal immigration, they are afraid to dwell on the scores of controversial issues Bush failed to settle, such as immigration, Social Security reform, crumbling infrastructure, the deficit caused by bad spending choices based on politics, the decline of the middle class, the failure to capture Osama bin Laden, America's declining stature in the world, the growing gap between rich and poor and the lack of civility and competence in government.

I guess this is why it will be a ? Versus the Democrat's election. Way to many one-liner responses and an undying need to follow failing policies. Stay the course is the reason Fred Thompson has had such sweeping results, stole votes from Rudy McRomney, and further separated the Republican party.

Anyway back to the,
Iraq/Iran/Syrian/Pakistan/Afghanistan/SHOULD BE SAUDI/Drug/Pornography/Corruption/Domestic Violence WARS as a way to divert attention from the lost party candidates

Fear = Hillary in 2008

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by DMWyatt

I don't really know how much of a long time friend we've been to Russia. We've barely thawed from the Cold War. As far as China goes, why would you attack the only country in the world stupid enough to subsidize your economy. What is the trade deficit with China? 300-400 Trillion $?

ETA: I could see China attacking us, not only because of the trade deficit, but also because right now with the political turmoil about to be stirred. RIGHT NOW would be an opportune time for someone to invade us.

Why would they attack us? We are buying the goods that are increasing the standard of living for the Chinese people?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by LKB3rd

I don't see it as democrat or republican. I see it as "establishment." They may disagree on gay marriage and abortion, but other than that they are ALL in favor of taking our money and giving it to someone or other who is a parasite on our society. The republicans want to give it to their corporate buddies, oil companies, and defense contractors. Democrats want to give it to illegal aliens and people who don't want to work, AND their liberal rich buddies.

If they can get us arguing back and forth about democrats vs republicans, liberals vs democrats, we might not notice that they ALL are not interested in what is good for us, only what benefits them and their cronies.

This is how it looks to me too.

[yur_maker]

The GOP (Government of the Perverts) Should be fearful with all the Child Molesters, Homo Sexual's, Hooker Humpin, Liars , Cheats and Thieves Coming out of the Wood Work.

I Vote Democrat Because I'm a Real Christian and not a Hypocrite Sunday Only Republican Christian.

[eric_t12]

i didnt know real christians used the government to steal for them, which is what you do when your 'feel good' programs inflate taxes through the roof.

I Vote Democrat Because I'm a Real Christian

if you mean helping people i like doing that to.

but that's volunatry. government-sponsored theft is not.