Can't we just force CA to sucede?

[Krackels]

I just saw this article on the NRA-ILA news feed.

Handgun stamping bill sent to governor

Spent shell casings would be imprinted

By James P. Sweeney
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
September 11, 2007
SACRAMENTO – The Assembly sent the governor a bill yesterday requiring that the next generation of semiautomatic handguns stamp identifying serial numbers on spent shell casings.The legislation that would establish the first law of its kind in the nation could have a lasting impact on the war on crime, according to backers. But the limited application of the bill does not figure to be felt for several years.

The bill covers only new models or brands of semiautomatic handguns approved for sale in the state after Jan. 1, 2010. That excludes nearly 1,300 different semiautomatics already sold in the state. Revolvers, which do not discharge shell casings, also are not covered.

Nonetheless, supporters said tagging microscopic codes on ammunition fired from the guns of choice for gang members and violent criminals could prove invaluable to law enforcement.

“Chiefs of police from Stockton to San Diego, from Fresno to National City, 65 of them standing together in support of this bill because they see the potential to solve gun crime,” said Assemblyman Mike Feuer, a Los Angeles Democrat who carried the measure, AB 1471.

Feuer said the bill is being watched across the country, all the way to Washington, D.C., where Congress is weighing a similar proposal.
But in a passionate debate between gun-control Democrats and gun-rights Republicans, critics dismissed the technology as unreliable, expensive and easily thwarted. They warned that it would drive up the price of guns and drive manufacturers out of the state.

“There is nothing like this is any other state, and no other state is seriously considering this because they know it doesn't work,” said Lawrence Keane, general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Council, an industry trade association.

The Assembly approved the bill on a 43-29 vote that fell largely along party lines. The Senate narrowly passed the bill last week. All involved are now closely watching for a signal from Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has taken no position on the bill.

Gun-control backers have been pushing the concept, known as microstamping, for several years as an alternative to ballistic imaging, a much more complex system that relies on individual markings on bullets.
Feuer attempted to shift the debate away from the traditional gun-control rhetoric, insisting his bill would not restrict anyone's access or ability to use firearms.

“This is not a gun-control measure,” he said. “This is a public-safety measure.”

The legislation would require new semiautomatics to be manufactured with firing pins or some other internal part etched with an individual serial number. Feuer said gun makers have said the identifying parts can be added for as little as $1 per gun.

But Keane said it would require an overhaul of the manufacturing process and add up to $200 per gun. After all that, the internal code could be easily sanded off.

Feuer staged a demonstration of the technology last month for journalists and some of Los Angeles' ranking law enforcement officials. The test used a microstamped weapon that had been fired more than 2,600 times.

“Everyone there could determine which gun fired the bullets,” Feuer said.
More than 60 percent of homicides in California are committed with handguns and about 70 percent of the handguns sold in the state are semiautomatics, according to a legislative analysis of the bill.
Moreover, Feuer said, his measure could help deal with so-called “straw purchasers,” those who buy guns legally for those who cannot.

Opponents portrayed the legislation as another assault on the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. Those who live a life of crime typically do not buy weapons legally and certainly wouldn't be foolish enough to use guns with coded firing pins, they said.

“There are so many ways to game this technology, that's the difficulty,” said Assemblyman Rick Keene, R-Chico. “This is not ready for prime time.”
To those that invoked the Second Amendment, Assemblyman Sandré Swanson offered up another passage from the Constitution.
“This is about life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” said Swanson, a Democrat who represents Oakland, where 148 people were killed last year and 93 so far this year.

As the bill moved through both houses, the legislation was amended to address criticism that it relied on patented technology available only from a single source. That supplier, NanoMark Technologies, has agreed to provide the technology for free to California and other states.

The measure also requires the attorney general to verify that the technology is made available to more than one manufacturer, Feuer said.
Of San Diego County-area legislators, voting against the bill were Republicans Joel Anderson of La Mesa, Martin Garrick of Solana Beach, Shirley Horton of Bonita, Kevin Jeffries of Lake Elsinore, George Plescia of La Jolla and Mimi Walters of Mission Viejo.
Democrats Mary Salas of Chula Vista and Lori Saldaña of San Diego voted for it.

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Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/s...1gunstamp.html



Besides this being completely impractical, what purpose would this serve except to make firearms more expensive; shrink the supply of CA approved firearms; and just make them feel better without actually fixing the problem?

I could see this increasing the conviction rate, but what would be the purpose we'd just be transferring where the criminal would be receiving welfare... first in the ghetto then in the prison.

[rev-arb]

They all been sniffing medicinal wacky tobacky.

[KarolinaKid]

Maybe the SanAndreas Fault can help us out with that...

[blefferd]

or use a revolver....

[XD45inAZ]

It's just silly. Firing pins can be replaced or modified. Weapons can last many decades so everything currently in circulation will not have a micro stamping. Gang bangers obtain guns illegally. I can see where this is going though...personally I think they want it to pass and fail to work. This way it will be easier to get full gun registration and have justification for it. I can hear it now... "this WOULD HAVE worked if ALL the guns were registered and micro stamped."

I can't wait for Commiefornia to fall into the ocean and make a little Cuba of their own. All the liberals can move there, walk around with beards, smoke cigars, and wearing fatigues blissful in their idealistic socialist nirvana.

[XD45inAZ]

Originally Posted by KarolinaKid

Maybe the SanAndreas Fault can help us out with that...

Perhaps Bin Laden will nuke the fault line. He said, "I have a gift for the west." Maybe he is trying to help us out.

[Ed 2001 SS]

Originally Posted by Krackels

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By James P. Sweeney
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
September 11, 2007

...

Opponents portrayed the legislation as another assault on the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. Those who live a life of crime typically do not buy weapons legally and certainly wouldn't be foolish enough to use guns with coded firing pins, they said.

“There are so many ways to game this technology, that's the difficulty,” said Assemblyman Rick Keene, R-Chico. “This is not ready for prime time.”
To those that invoked the Second Amendment, Assemblyman Sandré Swanson offered up another passage from the Constitution.
“This is about life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” said Swanson, a Democrat who represents Oakland, where 148 people were killed last year and 93 so far this year.

Maybe someone should contact Mr. Sweeney and tell him to read the Constitution of the United States. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness is not a constitutional guarantee. It isn't in the Constitution at all. Tell him to stop confusing the Declaration of Independence (which, though a great document isn't a governing document) with the Constitution which is the law of the land.

[AZXD]

I seriously doubt any manufacturer is going to do this. Translation, if it passes, there will be no new firearms sold in California.

[XD45inAZ]

Originally Posted by AZXD

I seriously doubt any manufacturer is going to do this. Translation, if it passes, there will be no new firearms sold in California.

The auto industry bows to commiefornia. Most of the emissions crap on our cars is because of them.

[fritzmeister]

Originally Posted by AZXD

I seriously doubt any manufacturer is going to do this. Translation, if it passes, there will be no new firearms sold in California.

Originally Posted by XD45inAZ

The auto industry bows to commiefornia. Most of the emissions crap on our cars is because of them.

Firearms manufacturers could be like Barret Arms, and refuse to sell anything to anyone in Kali.