Bin Laden Theory....

[Judge]

Just thought about this and throwing it out for the fun of it.

Theory:
1)We know where Bin Laden is. Exactly. We could take him out.
2) We're tapped into his intelligence and comm system.
3) We know what they're planning, when and with whom - is why we've been so extraordinarily successful at thwarting their major efforts to strike again.
4) If Bin Laden is taken out, AQ would fragment more, become more rogue, harder to track and discern future plans.
5) Bush made a decision to take the heat for not taking Bin Laden out so that we could work to taking AQ cells out and finding out their hidden cells first. We're still working on that.

Evidence - the video of Bin Laden captured a month before it's to be released... then released a few days before Bin Laden planned to spoil his showing... as well as our mysterious success at thwarting major attacks.

Just for the fun of it... have at it.

[robinsre]

I still don't like it.

People NEED to be held accountable for their actions.

Making it "easier" on us to target AQ is no excuse to let a murderer off the hook.

Let me give you an allegorical example :

Let's say, for example, you're a father. Your son/daughter is killed and/or worse.

The police FINALLY catch the guy who did it and have enough evidence to convict him/her and put them away for life or potentially even give them the death penalty, but they let him/her go because he/she agrees to help locate a group of drug dealers/thugs/murderers etc.

Would you be happy with that outcome.

I know I'd be calling for the head of the man who made that deal.

We're a strong nation, we can put in the extra effort to fend off a fragment al queda....

[Judge]

Big difference... we're not 'letting him go" or get off. we're just holding off on his execution till we squeeze the info we need to save thousands of lives.

He looks sick, and lives in a dirty hole - for 5 years, watching his plans fail and his friends die.... he's not living the high life...

Originally Posted by robinsre

I still don't like it.

People NEED to be held accountable for their actions.

Making it "easier" on us to target AQ is no excuse to let a murderer off the hook.

Let me give you an allegorical example :

Let's say, for example, you're a father. Your son/daughter is killed and/or worse.

The police FINALLY catch the guy who did it and have enough evidence to convict him/her and put them away for life or potentially even give them the death penalty, but they let him/her go because he/she agrees to help locate a group of drug dealers/thugs/murderers etc.

Would you be happy with that outcome.

I know I'd be calling for the head of the man who made that deal.

We're a strong nation, we can put in the extra effort to fend off a fragment al queda....

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Judge

Big difference... we're not 'letting him go" or get off. we're just holding off on his execution till we squeeze the info we need to save thousands of lives.

He looks sick, and lives in a dirty hole - for 5 years, watching his plans fail and his friends die.... he's not living the high life...

You just said we were "releasing him".

So which is it?

Now...if he's willing to publicly come out, denounce radical islam, and advise al queda to disband I have no problem letting him rot in a prison cell for the rest of his miserable life.

Personally though, I don't care what kind of life he's leading. If we have the ABILITY to bring him to justice we have the OBLIGATION to do so, for every man, woman, and child in America who has been harmed by his actions.

If he's caught he needs to go to trial, be convicted, and face punishment...nuff said.

Letting criminals go, regardless of how much it "benefits us" undermines our entire system of justice and way of life. If we were to not hold this man accountable for his heinous actions it would be slap in the face, not only to the victims of his crimes, but to every American who has ever fought and/or died to defend our way of life.

[sloopy70]

I think he's dead and that they took a bunch of different videos and pics and stuff and just keep releasing them to make him look alive... i didn't see the whole video, but what I did see, I didn't see any confirmation that he's alive TODAY... If he was holding up a newyork times with todays headlines on it or something that would be different... In the pics they showed on tv that I saw, he was wearing the exact same robe, same background, and his beard was died... those pictures couldve been taken an hour apart...

[Judge]

Re-read my post, I never say "release him" or let him go... we're just tolerating his existance to milk information that can save 1000's of lives and work to destroy AQ....


When we get all the info, he's terminated.

Originally Posted by robinsre

You just said we were "releasing him".

So which is it?

Now...if he's willing to publicly come out, denounce radical islam, and advise al queda to disband I have no problem letting him rot in a prison cell for the rest of his miserable life.

Personally though, I don't care what kind of life he's leading. If we have the ABILITY to bring him to justice we have the OBLIGATION to do so, for every man, woman, and child in America who has been harmed by his actions.

If he's caught he needs to go to trial, be convicted, and face punishment...nuff said.

Letting criminals go, regardless of how much it "benefits us" undermines our entire system of justice and way of life. If we were to not hold this man accountable for his heinous actions it would be slap in the face, not only to the victims of his crimes, but to every American who has ever fought and/or died to defend our way of life.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Judge

Just thought about this and throwing it out for the fun of it.

Theory:
1)We know where Bin Laden is. Exactly. We could take him out.
2) We're tapped into his intelligence and comm system.
3) We know what they're planning, when and with whom - is why we've been so extraordinarily successful at thwarting their major efforts to strike again.
4) If Bin Laden is taken out, AQ would fragment more, become more rogue, harder to track and discern future plans.
5) Bush made a decision to take the heat for not taking Bin Laden out so that we could work to taking AQ cells out and finding out their hidden cells first. We're still working on that.

Evidence - the video of Bin Laden captured a month before it's to be released... then released a few days before Bin Laden planned to spoil his showing... as well as our mysterious success at thwarting major attacks.

Just for the fun of it... have at it.

Well, if your theory were true, I'd be really pi$$ed if we didn't just stop at number one and blow the hell out of him and whatever area he is hiding out in. If that means turning a mountain into a damned valley, so be it.

All this pu$$y footing crap and non-concern over his location has and is a bunch of crap and everyone knows it. The stupid a$$ excuses that have been a part of the political side of this have gotten a lot of our troops killed and for what.
That's a heck of a question that really needs to be answered.

Will we get a good answer?
I seriously doubt it.
Why can I say this?
Because it doesn't fit an agenda that has so little to do with actually catching Bin Laden or the other Saudi National's who attacked us on 9/11.
Not only is it not funny, it is a damned disgrace.
But it was cast aside as irrelevant, because we have financial ties and contracts with the Saudi family.

If we have tapped into his communications & intelligence systems, then what the hell are we doing F'n around in Iraq for? Tell that country to fix the problem we created and tell them we're sorry, but to bad, so sad, we're going to get Osama.
(Keep reading, it will make sense later)

We went into Afghanistan with every intention of getting Osama, and what the Hell happened to that?
It became another politically tied cluster F.

Why?

If you want to play with theory, I hope you intend to provide some theoretical answers to at least part of this.

As for knowing what they are planning, yea that makes a lot of sense. If we had taken care of item 1, we wouldn't have to worry about the other crap you are theorizing.

But I'll play along a little more.
Blow the $hit out of them and get on with life. Bring the troops home and tell the rest of the world "Oh well!" Maybe even throw a "Sorry" in for good measure. Then get onto item 5 that you listed.

If he wants to take the heat, hey I'm cool with that.
How much heat can he handle?
Do you want to theorize turning him over to a world court before or after the next election?
That is something that needs to be clarified before we can really decide how much heat is to be applied.

But back to item 4 for just a little while so you can't say I skipped it completely.

Concerning AQ fragmenting and becoming harder to track.
Big F'n deal.

You want to play with the big boys, well play with the big boys.
We entered into a perpetual war when Bush declared a General War. Sure he called it a war on terror, but we all know that you can't fight a war against a human emotion. So, just call it what it is. A general War against anyone who does not think like this administration wishes one to think, or if it suits you better anyone who causes or thinks of an aggressive act.

If your not with us, your against us.
Heck that's a close enough quote for me.

So to take care of everything, after creating that valley that was Osama, how about perpetuating the neverending war by just telling the entire world that we intend to blow your whole damned country up if you so much as allow on act of terrorism to occur.

Whether it threatens the United States or not, if you allow it to happen, we're gonna come get you unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you could not prevent it.

Make the other countries of the world our police force in the General War. If they get out of line, push a button. It seems pretty simple to me. Eventually someone will screw up and we can again send out a plane or three to create another valley.

Oh, and all of this pretty much takes care of items 1 thru 5 in my book, and probably 6-10 as well. If you want to fight a war, do it right.

This send in a limited number of troops caused this whole fiasco and there are only a few people you can point fingers at.

I am proud to say that none of those fingers point at any armed srevice personnel.

This whole thing was created in a global arena of politics, and it will most likely end in a global arena of politics. That is, unless you wish to see my little scenario played out to the full extent that I envision.

Then you might just be able to view it as a global political domination scenario that is enforced by the threat potential of the greatest military power upon the face of the earth.

How's that for playing your game?

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by Judge

Evidence - the video of Bin Laden captured a month before it's to be released... then released a few days before Bin Laden planned to spoil his showing... as well as our mysterious success at thwarting major attacks.

I did misread this passage the first and second time I looked over it, sorry. It's been a long day of hunching over a monitor and a microscope for me.

Could you please explain this particular passage for me?

Are you providing this as evidence that this might be the current situation, or is this theoretical evidence in your philosophical situation?

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Judge

Re-read my post, I never say "release him" or let him go... we're just tolerating his existance to milk information that can save 1000's of lives and work to destroy AQ....


When we get all the info, he's terminated.

Your mentality is flawed!
Sorry Judge, but it is. If you want to play this game, play it right. Blow the whole country up and get rid of the guy.

Your approach just get's people killed.
For what?

A little bit of information!
Give me a break!

Your not that good at playing armchair General, so stop trying, and just blow the whole situation to kingdom come.

Try a give a $hit attitude about the aggressive actions and how others might view things and it becomes rather easy to sit at home and advise the world how best to end itself.

[Judge]

I'm not sure exactly of your question, but my understanding is that we captured this video about a month or two ago... and have been analyzing it, but released it to spoil bin laden's planned celebration of 9/11 - when it was to be released to Al Jazzera.

I'm thinking if we got the film that early, that we're close to the person that made it. I've got some old buds in the Pentagon but they don't say much on this issue, so I'm just kinda putting two and two together and coming up with a WAG....


I've no real proof... just kinda thinking out loud. Thought some others might could add to the idea or dispel it's possibility.

Originally Posted by robinsre

I did misread this passage the first and second time I looked over it, sorry. It's been a long day of hunching over a monitor and a microscope for me.

Could you please explain this particular passage for me?

Are you providing this as evidence that this might be the current situation, or is this theoretical evidence in your philosophical situation?