Researching someone before a purchase

[dasanii19]

Originally Posted by pakrazee

you want facts goto the ATF's website, but the fact is you dont have to be a FFL to ship a gun, but you MUST ship it to a FFL

But you know what I mean? if you look at this thread its everyone saying "I was under the impression" "As far as I know" "I dont think" etc. etc. Then we have members stating what seems to be facts but then others stating the complete oposite.

And its not just me that should know this stuff. Most all of us do transfers, we all need to know the facts. Im just pointing out the obvious and you should all agree.

[aphexafx]

Originally Posted by dasanii19

But you know what I mean? if you look at this thread its everyone saying "I was under the impression" "As far as I know" "I dont think" etc. etc. Then we have members stating what seems to be facts but then others stating the complete oposite.

And its not just me that should know this stuff. Most all of us do transfers, we all need to know the facts. Im just pointing out the obvious and you should all agree.

You referenced my post about this. You asked whether FFL receiving is required where you live, not where I live. Sorry but I do not have the time to go searching for you to see what your local regulations are. I KNOW it is required where I live. I made the blanket statement that "I'm pretty sure FFL receiving is required everywhere" and I do not have the time to go verify this, nor do I care. If you are going to receive a firearm, you go figure out what you are required to do.

You need to be perfectly certain, and I advise you to to call an agency and get the facts.

You are telling us we should all agree with you that we should know the FFL rules for our locale. I think we all do (know the rules, not agree with you). I also see nothing in this thread that indicates otherwise!

Again, I'm fairly certain you are required to have a FFL receive that gun in Nervada. That's all I'm going to say because, honestly, I'm much more interested in eating the salmon I just took out of the oven than I am in looking up what YOU need to do in order to get a firearm shipped to YOU in NEVADA.

[dasanii19]

Originally Posted by aphexafx

You referenced my post about this. You asked whether FFL receiving is required where you live, not where I live. Sorry but I do not have the time to go searching for you to see what your local regulations are. I KNOW it is required where I live. I made the blanket statement that "I'm pretty sure FFL receiving is required everywhere" and I do not have the time to go verify this, nor do I care. If you are going to receive a firearm, you go figure out what you are required to do.

You need to be perfectly certain, and I advise you to to call an agency and get the facts.

You are telling us we should all agree with you that we should know the FFL rules for our locale. I think we all do (know the rules, not agree with you). I also see nothing in this thread that indicates otherwise!


Again, I'm fairly certain you are required to have a FFL receive that gun in Nervada.

You got me wrong and I dont feel like arguing about it. I should have looked over the thread a bit better, I just scanned through picking up the first few words where it looked as if people were "iffy" and yours happened to be one by accident. I see now it was a "blanket statement", my mistake.

What im asking for is the basic firearm transfer law that everyone shold know, and it baffles me alot of people dont...

Im probably wording all of this wrong. Im not saying noone knows the law, I just think it seems a little foggy for most (not all) can you agree with that?.. Again, I was just using this thread as
"Generalization proof". Ive seen threads exactly like this over and over on forums. I wasnt trying to point fingures or call anyone out or have anyone do my home work for me. Again I just think the basic transfer law is foggy for alot of us, yes including me even though ive done transfer after tranfer in my life, there are still things im not to sure about that id love to learn. I didnt know it would really be such a big deal to link me to the real transfer law. Im realy sorry it bothered you so much. What I asked wasnt for just my state, im pretty sure all states have a standard FFL transfer law that consists of the same process.

[aphexafx]

Originally Posted by dasanii19

You got me wrong and I dont feel like arguing about it. I should have looked over the thread a bit better, I just scanned through picking up the first few words where it looked as if people were "iffy" and yours happened to be one by accident. I see now it was a "blanket statement", my mistake.

What im asking for is the basic firearm transfer law that everyone shold know, and it baffles me alot of people dont...

Im probably wording all of this wrong. Im not saying noone knows the law, I just think it seems a little foggy for most (not all) can you agree with that?.. Again, I was just using this thread as
"Generalization proof". Ive seen threads exactly like this over and over on forums. I wasnt trying to point fingures or call anyone out or have anyone do my home work for me. Again I just think the basic transfer law is foggy for alot of us, yes including me even though ive done transfer after tranfer in my life, there are still things im not to sure about that id love to learn. I didnt know it would really be such a big deal to link me to the real transfer law. Im realy sorry it bothered you so much. What I asked wasnt for just my state, im pretty sure all states have a standard FFL transfer law that consists of the same process.

Oops I think I should have used more smileys in my post. I do that a lot. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was offended or like I was talking down to you. Also, I understand your general point better now.

Ok, I agree with your point. In fact, I don't even know if the transfer laws are federal or state! I think it would be cool if we had a lawyer who could help us interpret certain laws...but if we did he'she probably wouldn't want to spend all that time doing it.

I found this: http://www.durhampolice.com/pdf/PSNFedFirearms.pdf but all it does is outline what not to do. It is of no value to a citizen trying to obey the law.

Here's a real beauty: http://books.google.com/books?id=9en...SCa8XY#PPP1,M1 several hundred pages. Sigh.

Ok so I've done some more research... It is a Federal law that ONLY FFL holders may recieve shipments of firearms. Either for in-house sale or for transfer to a client. There is NO Federal law regarding who may ship a firearm, as long as it is being shipped to an FFL holder who has been notified about the transfer (who will probably require ID from the sender prior to the shipment, since he/she will be in the chain of ownership, and for the paperwork).

However, I'm kind of afraid to write this because I could have interpreted it wrong ,the info I read could have been wrong, and THERE MAY BE STATE LAWS that change these rules in ways that I don't know.

You should call the ATF and ask:

Is the firearms transfer law/regulation the same throughout the country or may states modify it, and do any?
-and-
Will you send me a pamphlet that details the exact firearms transfer law(s)?

And then come back and tell us what they say!

Oh yeah: Lot's of extra smileys:

[cjive134]

Originally Posted by dasanii19

But you know what I mean? if you look at this thread its everyone saying "I was under the impression" "As far as I know" "I dont think" etc. etc. Then we have members stating what seems to be facts but then others stating the complete oposite.

And its not just me that should know this stuff. Most all of us do transfers, we all need to know the facts. Im just pointing out the obvious and you should all agree.

What pakrazee says is true. "I was under the impression" he wanted to send the gun right to you without any FFL involvement. That would be quite fishy.

Some FFL's require that the sender use an FFL to send to their location. I've only some accross one gun shop that does this.

[dasanii19]

Originally Posted by aphexafx

Oops I think I should have used more smileys in my post. I do that a lot. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was offended or like I was talking down to you. Also, I understand your general point better now.

Ok, I agree with your point. In fact, I don't even know if the transfer laws are federal or state! I think it would be cool if we had a lawyer who could help us interpret certain laws...but if we did he'she probably wouldn't want to spend all that time doing it.

I found this: http://www.durhampolice.com/pdf/PSNFedFirearms.pdf but all it does is outline what not to do. It is of no value to a citizen trying to obey the law.

Here's a real beauty: http://books.google.com/books?id=9en...SCa8XY#PPP1,M1 several hundred pages. Sigh.

Ok so I've done some more research... It is a Federal law that ONLY FFL holders may recieve shipments of firearms. Either for in-house sale or for transfer to a client. There is NO Federal law regarding who may ship a firearm, as long as it is being shipped to an FFL holder who has been notified about the transfer (who will probably require ID from the sender prior to the shipment, since he/she will be in the chain of ownership, and for the paperwork).

However, I'm kind of afraid to write this because I could have interpreted it wrong ,the info I read could have been wrong, and THERE MAY BE STATE LAWS that change these rules in ways that I don't know.

You should call the ATF and ask:

Is the firearms transfer law/regulation the same throughout the country or may states modify it, and do any?
-and-
Will you send me a pamphlet that details the exact firearms transfer law(s)?

And then come back and tell us what they say!

Oh yeah: Lot's of extra smileys:

I will look into it, im sure ill come up with some stuff that will be usefull to all of us.