National ID? Need info (PV)

[KEVWYO]

I was reading another thread and there was a statement about a national ID card. Why would it be bad? Would it be good? I don't know enough about it.

Seems like if the right info was on it and the only way a person could get one is by having the right and accurate info on it ... that might be a good thing. Then again, I don't know enough about it.

[Captain Jack]

The less Big Brother knows of where I go and what I do, the better. I'm a law abiding citizen who loves his country (the United States in case they're readin' ), and have no intentions of doing anything bad or wrong. So, I don't want an electronic tracking device since that is essentially what the National ID is.

[Frenchy]

The government feels the best way to keep an eye on the undesirables, is to have issued National ID cards. So who are the undesirables, and why do I need a card?

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

The government feels the best way to keep an eye on the undesirables, is to have issued National ID cards. So who are the undesirables, and why do I need a card?

OK, so I just posted this on another thread, and it's old news, but it will give you an idea of who some think an undesirable might be

"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?
by Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com
Reprint permission is granted for this article, provided it is printed intact,
including this intro, and our website address is included as a link.
November 14, 2001

KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."
Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, it's wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"

[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who

"Request authority for a stop"

[That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"

[That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'"

[That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals"

[Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels"

[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:

1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.

2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.

READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF

The flyer is a tri-fold, so you'll have to turn your head sideways to read one of the sections.

Front Page | Back Page | Download Flyer in .pdf format

NOTE: The far right side of the above "Front Page" is the actual front of the tri-fold flyer. The far left side of the above "Back Page" -- the part that mentions the 'defenders of the US Constitution' -- is the inside flap... the first thing you see when you open the flyer.

HISTORY OF THE FLYER
According to Terry Chapman of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- whose name is on the flyer as the MCSO contact -- the FBI created the flyer and printed the MCSO and Attorney's Office before the text was approved. He said it was created as a full color brochure to hand out to officers, not for the general public -- and that as soon as he saw it, he urged them not to use it, knowing it had some problems.
"The flyer never got off the ground," said Officer Chapman, "but it did manage to make it's way out -- and maybe it's right that it did." He genuinely didn't like this piece of junk, and he showed true concern about my issues with the flyer, too. "We were not happy with it. It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded -- the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it."
"It's dead in the water as far as I know," said Chapman. "I just can't imagine the FBI putting it out there again. It wasn't for the public. The fact that it's circulating again has gotta be by unofficial sources."
Mr. Chapman couldn't name the FBI agent who created the flyer, saying the individual who created it was no longer with the FBI's Phoenix branch, which he described as having "revolving doors." Sheriff's officers didn't like the flyer, either. Said Chapman, "I had a Lieutenant from our own office call me and ask 'Am I on your list?' Am I a threat?' for supporting the constitution?'" Chapman was embarrassed by the seeming targeting of "decent, honorable segments of the community" by the flyer -- he hoped it would never be handed out or go anywhere at all.
According to Chapman, the FBI approached the Sheriff's Office saying they wanted to put a flyer together to help local law enforcement raise officer awareness about who to watch out for. They asked for a local contact name and number for use of a flyer they wanted to produce, and because Terry Chapman heads up MCSO Intelligence, he was the likely candidate. Possible lesson for Chapman: don't let yourself get used by misguided federal agents again.
The big question: Why the hell does the FBI have someone running around promoting that Defenders of the Constitution (and the common law from which the Constitution was born) are domestic terrorists?
The FBI has not returned phone calls on this matter. But suffice it to say that there has been at least one unAmerican weasel running around their camp urging people to turn against We The Real American People. We'd sure like to know this fool's name and location within the Bureau. If you track that information down, please contact me personally; we've got a bone to pick with him and his boss, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft.

[XD45inAZ]

Originally Posted by AZXD

OK, so I just posted this on another thread, and it's old news, but it will give you an idea of who some think an undesirable might be

I have to type this quick, there is a black helicopter over head and some black suv's pulled up with men in black getting out. They look friendly. I should give them my guns so they can protect me. Oh wait, they say they are here for me. I was talking about the constitution too much, shooting in the desert, and voicing my disapproval of the current administration. That's two amendments down. No one will miss them or me.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by XD45inAZ

I have to type this quick, there is a black helicopter over head and some black suv's pulled up with men in black getting out. They look friendly. I should give them my guns so they can protect me. Oh wait, they say they are here for me. I was talking about the constitution too much, shooting in the desert, and voicing my disapproval of the current administration. That's two amendments down. No one will miss them or me.

Sorry, I can't speak of this with anyone. It's against the law

[einheit 13]

I've got a National ID.........

[SpringfieldXD.40]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

I've got a National ID.........

+1....I like it!

[street cruiser]

Watch the news with the idea of the big picture. The national id card is just a step in the final product. Also keep and eye on NAFTA, CAFTA and any other treaties and legislation (socialized medicine, increased use of imminent domain, etc.) that attempt to break down local, state and national soveriegnty. Main thing is do your research to formulate your own opinion.