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rucker · 07-20-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orrminator

I have a large kit in each of the family cars, I carry a small one in my messenger bag where ever I go and the private range I am a member of has a large one at each of the shooting areas and a major trauma kit at the club house. Each of the shooting areas also has a GPS coordinate posted so that life flight can drop directly down as close as possible to any injured persons...

wow, mine isn't that organized

east_stingray · 07-20-2007, 07:12 PM

I'm certainly not saying this is a bad idea to have, but I've been an EMT for 4 years now and I doubt anyone is going to be treating their own sucking chest wound (and probably not anything serious that requires quick-clot).

That said, like one of the other posters, my range bag has a small kit with band-aids and crap that probably wouldn't be much use in any kind of emergency. I have a couple of SAM splints and some gloves in the car, but I haven't been willing to pony up for real equipment yet as it's expensive and I'm poor.

ETA: I don't know much of anything about quick-clot and don't have any experience with it, but I seem to remember reading that it frequently makes wounds worse (something about getting hot enough to cause burns and sometimes causing emboli). One of the girls who was a chemistry undergrad with me did an internship with a military contractor who was working on a new clot system that didn't have these problems.

**Ed Ely** · 07-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Good thread!

Gotta have that $40.00 kit, I am a
bleeder.

I also like the idea of the GPS co-ords
being posted at the range where one
shoots.

Ed

rucker · 07-20-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by east_stingray

ETA: I don't know much of anything about quick-clot and don't have any experience with it, but I seem to remember reading that it frequently makes wounds worse (something about getting hot enough to cause burns and sometimes causing emboli). One of the girls who was a chemistry undergrad with me did an internship with a military contractor who was working on a new clot system that didn't have these problems.

"CELOX is not exothermic and won't burn the victim or caregiver." I think this is the new stuff.

I figure if I have a "sucking chest wound" I am pretty screwed but it probably wouldn't hurt to be prepared for a .45 in the leg or something

hikeeba · 07-20-2007, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by east_stingray

I'm certainly not saying this is a bad idea to have, but I've been an EMT for 4 years now and I doubt anyone is going to be treating their own sucking chest wound (and probably not anything serious that requires quick-clot).

I carry my kit which moreso to render aid to others, if needed. I know that kit or no kit, odds are I'd be mostly screwed if something happened to me at the range. Unless I was shooting with my firefighter buddy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by east_stingray

ETA: I don't know much of anything about quick-clot and don't have any experience with it, but I seem to remember reading that it frequently makes wounds worse (something about getting hot enough to cause burns and sometimes causing emboli).

QuikClot has been known to cause a significant exothermic reaction (burns) in patients, and even some caregivers, when applied. However, I have heard rumor that QC has beenrevamped somehow and these effects have been minimized. Don't quote me on that, though. They must have shelled out a pretty penny to have their product so prominently displayed in Shooter. Big bucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by east_stingray

One of the girls who was a chemistry undergrad with me did an internship with a military contractor who was working on a new clot system that didn't have these problems.

Was that maybe within the last year or so? It may have been TraumaDex, or it's latest incarnation Arista AH. Both are a fine powder clot accellerator. About 2 years ago (or so) the makers of TraumaDex pulled their products off the civilian markets and reportedly began dealing exclusively with the military. TraumaDex was a decent product; bio inert and had no known negative side effects. It would be nice if it were to become available again.

For those interested in hemostatic or clot accellerating products, there are a variety of hemostatic gauze products out there that appear to be gaining popularity. One advantage of the hemostatic gauze is that it has the clotting agent impregnated in the gauze, making application easier. With the powder/granule agents, it isn't too hard to dump it all over the place. QuikClot has gauze products. There is also another one, ActCel, which has an actual glucose-based, fully-absorbable gauze product. I've seen a rep from ActCel eat a 2"x2" piece of gauze to demonstrate how harmless it is. He says he does that at each demo. Regardless of the goofy pitch, the ActCel gauze turns into a glucose gel when applied in the wound.

I'm not trying to pitch any product over another. Just trying to point out that there are a variety of things available out there that could buy some time when someone is in trouble.

chrisxd45t · 07-20-2007, 10:32 PM

I had a bad experience with quick clot, so I'm interested in reading more about this new stuff. I incurred a stab wound through my hand when I was around 14. The puncture was clean and didn't hurt, but it was bleeding badly. So, since we were afraid getting in troble more than anything else, my friend thought it would be smart to dump the clotting crap in my hand to avoid telling our parents; so wrong. It hurt like hell, but what was worse was having the doctor scrape it all out as he laughed at how stupid we were/are.

KHAN · 07-20-2007, 10:56 PM

Tampons and maxi pads man, tampons and maxi pads.

east_stingray · 07-21-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hikeeba

Was that maybe within the last year or so? It may have been TraumaDex, or it's latest incarnation Arista AH. Both are a fine powder clot accellerator. About 2 years ago (or so) the makers of TraumaDex pulled their products off the civilian markets and reportedly began dealing exclusively with the military. TraumaDex was a decent product; bio inert and had no known negative side effects. It would be nice if it were to become available again.

The stuff she was working on was actually based on something they extracted from shrimp. I don't think it's on the civilian market, and the internship was last summer.

KEVWYO · 07-21-2007, 12:27 AM

Not to be too dismissive of your what appears to be major trauma gear ...

When I am just out shooting I carry a first aid bag for the major end of minor trauma but for my dogs not me. However, since my dogs know my routine and know to be "down" and behind me when I shoot I don't worry to much about them. Fact is, the worst trauma I've dealt with just shooting is a cut paw from shot up glass that I stopped bleeding on and then Super Glued.

My AR had a Kaboom a couple years ago and it sprayed shrapnel into my chin, neck, and forearms. It took exactly one 3 x 3 gauze pad to stop the bleeding. I could've used a couple Valium though for the serious case of jitters I got after that though!!!

**beardman2** · 07-21-2007, 12:49 AM

Looks like a great kit but yikes is it expensive. I'd be interested to see what could be put together without the fancy clotting agents.

07-20-2007, 07:12 PM	#12
east_stingray XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,285	I'm certainly not saying this is a bad idea to have, but I've been an EMT for 4 years now and I doubt anyone is going to be treating their own sucking chest wound (and probably not anything serious that requires quick-clot). That said, like one of the other posters, my range bag has a small kit with band-aids and crap that probably wouldn't be much use in any kind of emergency. I have a couple of SAM splints and some gloves in the car, but I haven't been willing to pony up for real equipment yet as it's expensive and I'm poor. ETA: I don't know much of anything about quick-clot and don't have any experience with it, but I seem to remember reading that it frequently makes wounds worse (something about getting hot enough to cause burns and sometimes causing emboli). One of the girls who was a chemistry undergrad with me did an internship with a military contractor who was working on a new clot system that didn't have these problems. Last edited by east_stingray; 07-20-2007 at 07:14 PM.

07-20-2007, 10:32 PM	#16
chrisxd45t XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Monterey/San Jose California Posts: 1,227	I had a bad experience with quick clot, so I'm interested in reading more about this new stuff. I incurred a stab wound through my hand when I was around 14. The puncture was clean and didn't hurt, but it was bleeding badly. So, since we were afraid getting in troble more than anything else, my friend thought it would be smart to dump the clotting crap in my hand to avoid telling our parents; so wrong. It hurt like hell, but what was worse was having the doctor scrape it all out as he laughed at how stupid we were/are. __________________ LEGALIZE FREEDOM Last edited by chrisxd45t; 07-20-2007 at 10:37 PM.

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07-20-2007, 08:01 PM	#13
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,805 Blog Entries: 1	Good thread! Gotta have that $40.00 kit, I am a bleeder. I also like the idea of the GPS co-ords being posted at the range where one shoots. Ed

07-21-2007, 12:27 AM	#19
KEVWYO XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,291	Not to be too dismissive of your what appears to be major trauma gear ... When I am just out shooting I carry a first aid bag for the major end of minor trauma but for my dogs not me. However, since my dogs know my routine and know to be "down" and behind me when I shoot I don't worry to much about them. Fact is, the worst trauma I've dealt with just shooting is a cut paw from shot up glass that I stopped bleeding on and then Super Glued. My AR had a Kaboom a couple years ago and it sprayed shrapnel into my chin, neck, and forearms. It took exactly one 3 x 3 gauze pad to stop the bleeding. I could've used a couple Valium though for the serious case of jitters I got after that though!!!