More evidence... Jihad not about Policy, but religion. (PV_)

[Judge]

There is soo much hyperbole here, it's sad.

You'll have to show me the "anti muslim propaganda".

To "think this is strictly a religious action is stupid" - what you can't read or your don't believe what they say? Which is it?

Damn that's a great quote... Let's edit it "Kill them all and let God sort them out!" Since you don't know a joke when you see it.... And I though it was the Paul supporters that kept defending extremism.. Kinda selective aren't we?

Originally Posted by Powerman

I have seen plenty of propaganda from WWII as depicting Japs as less than human and heathens. Once again we see propaganda of how inhuman and evil Muslim extremists are. Simply being a human enemy of my state is enough for me. I you want to take up arms against me, then get ready for a response. But all this anti Muslim propaganda is sickening.

There is absolutely nothing that one race, ethnicity, or religion has not done. Nothing. All have killed, raped, and mutilated young and old. It is so funny when we point at atrocities and injustices that we have done and show our disgust.

Policy alone is not to blame. If we could go back in time and change our past, there would still be extremists. However, I doubt there would be as many, and I doubt we would have such a huge target on us. To some who believe we are so innocent and have absolutely nothing to do with with what happens in the ME is wrong. To think this is strictly a religious action is, well, stupid.

But to some this is a religious movement. "We will win when we kill them all and Christianize their children." There is no getting through to extremists Sammi. You should know all too well.

[KarolinaKid]

Round 1:

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[rucker]

Originally Posted by Judge

To "think this is strictly a religious action is stupid" - what you can't read or your don't believe what they say? Which is it?

I tried debating you about this earlier in the thread and you chose not to respond. You can't defend your own points and do nothing to prove them.

[AZXD]

[Judge]

Let's see, maybe it's because we are the strongest friend of Israel, the richest and most visible??

If you haven't noticed, they are taking the fight all over the world - Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, England, Scotland, Austraila has battled with violent Imams.

The US is the symbol, like it or not. Also, thanks to the Clinton retreat in Somalia, we are a big target, but look like a soft target - can you not read what OBL wrote about our retreat in Somalia???

You can read his words, the words of the terrorist I linked - and you can chose not to believe them. All I can do is explain it to you, I can't comprehend it for you or make you believe the facts.

They kill wherever they are. They were planning this before GWI. Why?? I know, I bet you think Dubya was plotting with them in the 80's!

Sorry to ignore you, seemed like you keep asking the same thing.... Do you want me to keep repeating myself?

Originally Posted by rucker

You didn't answer the question. Why do they predominately choose the US and Britain?

If it is a "global battlefield" and geography doesn't matter then why not Mexico, Canada, Australia, Brazil, or even South Africa? I checked on CIA World Factbook and all these nations have about the same percentage of Christians as the US.

It seems like a hell of a coincidence that the whole world is their battlefield yet, by chance, they chose the two countries who have been meddling in their affairs the longest.

Your own story proves that if the whole world is their battlefield then there must be some extra reason that would make them come around the globe to attack us here.

Spin it how you will but that reason is: policy.

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by Judge

There is soo much hyperbole here, it's sad.

You'll have to show me the "anti muslim propaganda".

To "think this is strictly a religious action is stupid" - what you can't read or your don't believe what they say? Which is it?

Damn that's a great quote... Let's edit it "Kill them all and let God sort them out!" Since you don't know a joke when you see it.... And I though it was the Paul supporters that kept defending extremism.. Kinda selective aren't we?

Article after article has been posted in response to your arguments. Yet you discredit, discount, or simply ignore every one of them. I could bury you in similar articles cut and pasted from the internet and you would continue to do the same.

Yet you pluck some article off the web by some self proclaimed rehabilitated terrorist and I am suposed to just fall down dead and hold that as the gospel truth. Why in the world you expect me to believe that article is beyond me. We are in a war of ideas and information and you buy this stuff just because it reinforces your beliefs.

Religion is something that can bring peace and meaning to many peoples lives. Religion is most notorious for being used as a tool of control and seperation. Yes the terrorists base their arguments in religion. Religion is the best base to use because it is limitless in it's ability to be twisted to suit one's agenda. Since it is all based on interpretation. No kidding the terrorists base their war on their religion.

They use their religion as a means of control. The exact same way Christians have used it through out history. Muslims are no lower than Anglo/Saxon Christians. We have all done the same at one time or another. There is no human being that will not do what another human being will do.

However, this is not about religion, it is about hate. Their religion is not why we are their target. Hate has only one purpose, to hate. What the hate is based on is irrelavent. They will always find a reason. They will always find a target to focus on. Does the KKK have anything to do with Christianity? No, we just accept them as a bunch of idiots. Do White Supemisists have points? Sure, but nobody looks at them for anything more that they are. Hate groups.

The GWOT, and the radical Islamists are about ideologies. There is no military solutions to it. We can not eradicate hate. We will never eliminate radical fundamentalists. The radicals have absolutely no means what so ever to conquer the world and establish a Muslim state. For Christ's sakes, look at the Middle East. They can't even agree long enough to unite the region. There are about 20 different groupes that can't even unite to kick us out. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They can't even agree on that long enough to make any head way.

So this is a war of ideas. Both sides put out propaganda and disinformation. You have bought the GWOT lock stock and barrel. They hate us for our freedom. They want the world to surrender to a Islamic state. Islam is a religion of violence, hate, and extremism. Convert or die. We must eradicate them. It has nothing to do with Forign policy. We have no fault in any of this. We are Righteous with the one True God on our side. They attacked us because we are weak. They attacked us because we withdrew. We must not show weakness. We will not negotiate. We must be willing to do what ever it takes. If you are not with us, you are against us. If you do not agree 100% then you are a traitor and a sympathizer. If you are not willing to go to war for as long as it takes you are weak and don't deserve to live here. Don't believe anything besides what we tell you. Anything you see contrary to this is false and is a program to weaken our resolve. Your thinking is killing american Soldiers.......

As far as the terrorist, I simply don't believe a word they say. I don't believe their propaganda. I don't believe it has anything to do with the true Muslim religion. I don't believe for a second that if we just left today they would go back to peace. I do believe our actions are recruiting more terrorists than we are killing. I do believe we are throwing gas on their fire. I do believe they are playing us like a fiddle.

"We must kill them all and Christianize their children". Don't play that off now as a joke. You stood by that statement and explained why you said it. And you have the nerve to claim I speak in hyperbole.

[Frenchy]

You can't argue with an Ideologue.

[rucker]

Strongest friend of Israel = policy

Clinton retreat in Somalia = policy

they kill wherever they are? Sometimes, but why did the 9/11 hijackers fly halfway around the world to the US? The US is not a symbol because of religion, it is a symbol because of policy.

Originally Posted by Judge

Let's see, maybe it's because we are the strongest friend of Israel, the richest and most visible??

If you haven't noticed, they are taking the fight all over the world - Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa, England, Scotland, Austraila has battled with violent Imams.

The US is the symbol, like it or not. Also, thanks to the Clinton retreat in Somalia, we are a big target, but look like a soft target - can you not read what OBL wrote about our retreat in Somalia???

You can read his words, the words of the terrorist I linked - and you can chose not to believe them. All I can do is explain it to you, I can't comprehend it for you or make you believe the facts.

They kill wherever they are. They were planning this before GWI. Why?? I know, I bet you think Dubya was plotting with them in the 80's!

Sorry to ignore you, seemed like you keep asking the same thing.... Do you want me to keep repeating myself?

[Judge]

Uh, article after article hasn't been posted. Nice try though. Don't be afraid to answer the questions, as you expect me or others to do. You say I ignore, but I've responded to most every question someone has had of me - and not by giving evasive insulting answers as you do.

"Self-proclaimed terrorist" - no you don't have to believe him, but when he says the same thing OBL and others do - most reasonable people would start to say - hey, maybe there's something to this. But not you.... In addition, his background has been checked... He just came to his senses - it can happen, even to moslem radicals, you shouldn't discount it and insult them that way. You're too full of hate. Ease up.

As far as my comment - I stated then it was a joke - I believe to AZAD.... Just because you don't know what's going on, don't presume the rest of us don't. My 'defense' was not of that quote in context - it was of the specific differences in raising a child in a Christian home versus a moslem home. I'll try to keep to the Dr. Seuss form of communication so you can keep up next time.

Originally Posted by Powerman

Article after article has been posted in response to your arguments. Yet you discredit, discount, or simply ignore every one of them. I could bury you in similar articles cut and pasted from the internet and you would continue to do the same.

Yet you pluck some article off the web by some self proclaimed rehabilitated terrorist and I am suposed to just fall down dead and hold that as the gospel truth. Why in the world you expect me to believe that article is beyond me. We are in a war of ideas and information and you buy this stuff just because it reinforces your beliefs.

Religion is something that can bring peace and meaning to many peoples lives. Religion is most notorious for being used as a tool of control and seperation. Yes the terrorists base their arguments in religion. Religion is the best base to use because it is limitless in it's ability to be twisted to suit one's agenda. Since it is all based on interpretation. No kidding the terrorists base their war on their religion.

They use their religion as a means of control. The exact same way Christians have used it through out history. Muslims are no lower than Anglo/Saxon Christians. We have all done the same at one time or another. There is no human being that will not do what another human being will do.

However, this is not about religion, it is about hate. Their religion is not why we are their target. Hate has only one purpose, to hate. What the hate is based on is irrelavent. They will always find a reason. They will always find a target to focus on. Does the KKK have anything to do with Christianity? No, we just accept them as a bunch of idiots. Do White Supemisists have points? Sure, but nobody looks at them for anything more that they are. Hate groups.

The GWOT, and the radical Islamists are about ideologies. There is no military solutions to it. We can not eradicate hate. We will never eliminate radical fundamentalists. The radicals have absolutely no means what so ever to conquer the world and establish a Muslim state. For Christ's sakes, look at the Middle East. They can't even agree long enough to unite the region. There are about 20 different groupes that can't even unite to kick us out. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They can't even agree on that long enough to make any head way.

So this is a war of ideas. Both sides put out propaganda and disinformation. You have bought the GWOT lock stock and barrel. They hate us for our freedom. They want the world to surrender to a Islamic state. Islam is a religion of violence, hate, and extremism. Convert or die. We must eradicate them. It has nothing to do with Forign policy. We have no fault in any of this. We are Righteous with the one True God on our side. They attacked us because we are weak. They attacked us because we withdrew. We must not show weakness. We will not negotiate. We must be willing to do what ever it takes. If you are not with us, you are against us. If you do not agree 100% then you are a traitor and a sympathizer. If you are not willing to go to war for as long as it takes you are weak and don't deserve to live here. Don't believe anything besides what we tell you. Anything you see contrary to this is false and is a program to weaken our resolve. Your thinking is killing american Soldiers.......

As far as the terrorist, I simply don't believe a word they say. I don't believe their propaganda. I don't believe it has anything to do with the true Muslim religion. I don't believe for a second that if we just left today they would go back to peace. I do believe our actions are recruiting more terrorists than we are killing. I do believe we are throwing gas on their fire. I do believe they are playing us like a fiddle.

"We must kill them all and Christianize their children". Don't play that off now as a joke. You stood by that statement and explained why you said it. And you have the nerve to claim I speak in hyperbole.

[Judge]

You don't understand policy from principle.

We stand by Israel because they are the only democracy in the middle east and b/c of the persecution of the Jews through history. We stand behind them whether it is convenient or not. Whether others want us to or not - because of a higher ideal. That is principle.

It was policy - a noted by a lack of principle or backbone, that caused our retreat in Somalia. We changed course due to circumstances, not based on principle - a higher ideal. However, that is not why they attacked us. It was a great recrutiing tool, but they hated us previously for our principles. They had already attempted WTC1 and other attacks.

Israel is causal, along with our faith and visibility. Somalia was not.

We are a symbol because we ARE the leader of the free and Christian world. Why is that soooo hard to understand??

Originally Posted by rucker

Strongest friend of Israel = policy

Clinton retreat in Somalia = policy

they kill wherever they are? Sometimes, but why did the 9/11 hijackers fly halfway around the world to the US? The US is not a symbol because of religion, it is a symbol because of policy.