(PV) McCain takes shot at Romney's religion

[Powerman]

Edit: never mind. What's the point?

[longtalltechsan]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

Sorry, but Mormons are not Christians. Simply believing something about Jesus Christ does not make you a Christian. Taking the Bible as one of your "sacred texts" does not make you a Christian (Muslims claim the Bible as a sacred text, and they certainly are not Christians).

Adding to or subtracting from the Holy Scriptures places you outside of the Christian church, and that is exactly what Joseph Smith did.

What do you base this claim on?

[Judge]

If I understand the mormon teachings, they deny the divinty of Christ. That is the defination of heretical.

However, I think Mitt is a very moral person, who loves his family. I think he is honest, i know from working in Utah, that the mormons are very disciplined, hardworking and honest people. I may not share their religous veiws, but they do abide by their convictions in conducting business. Also, I was never asked much less pressured to become/attend mormon services in order to do business with them. I had a fair chance. They don't wear their religion on their sleeve. It is more of a quiet confidence/faith.

Bottom line: A mormon Mitt is greatly preferable to me than an atheistic Hillary. I don't have any fear of him using the Oval office to spread his religion, any more than Kennedy spread Catholicism.

[jetsiphon]

Originally Posted by Old School

* Fred Thompson often fills in for Paul Harvey and Batman.
* Physicists say nothing can escape a black hole or Fred Thompson.
* Why does Iran want nukes? Fear of Fred Thompson.
* Though Fred Thompson left the Senate in 2003, Harry Reid still hasn't stopped wetting his pants.
* Only two things can kill Superman: Kryptonite and Fred Thompson.
* Every night, Osama checks under his bed for Fred Thompson.
* Fred Thompson is a prime number.
* Actual cause of global warming? Fred Thompson's burning rage.
* Fred Thompson appears human size because he is actually standing a million miles away.
* Not only does Fred Thompson cut taxes, he cuts tax collectors.

Nice Scott.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by jetsiphon

Nice Scott.

I love that shirt so much, I bought it. Any shirt that makes me laugh out loud, I buy it. Damn, it is funny stuff and Fred is the man!

[beardman2]

I grew up with a Mormon best friend. Nicest people you could ever meet. I went with him to church functions all the time. Never once did they give me crap about not being Mormon. I was never asked one single thing about my religion. They take care of their own people thats for sure. I knew several people that were getting help paying their bills from the church. Are their quacks? you bet ya! just like every group.


McCain can bite me.

[huntthehunter]

Old School, where did you get that shirt?

[newKid]

Originally Posted by Old School

* Fred Thompson often fills in for Paul Harvey and Batman.
* Physicists say nothing can escape a black hole or Fred Thompson.
* Why does Iran want nukes? Fear of Fred Thompson.
* Though Fred Thompson left the Senate in 2003, Harry Reid still hasn't stopped wetting his pants.
* Only two things can kill Superman: Kryptonite and Fred Thompson.
* Every night, Osama checks under his bed for Fred Thompson.
* Fred Thompson is a prime number.
* Actual cause of global warming? Fred Thompson's burning rage.
* Fred Thompson appears human size because he is actually standing a million miles away.
* Not only does Fred Thompson cut taxes, he cuts tax collectors.

[SLCDave]

Originally Posted by Judge

If I understand the mormon teachings, they deny the divinty of Christ.

We most definately do not.

[Judge]

I'm not trying to bash Mormons, I also think they are great people, but from an evangelical/reformed/Catholic view of Christianity, the teachings are very different, they would be considered heretical (three Gods, a different Jesus,God as man, Jesus brother of Lucifer, a different Christ - revealed to J. Smith) :

TRINITY: Mormonism is a polytheistic religion. Joseph Smith declared, "I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).
Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie spoke about the Godhead in this way, "Plurality of Gods: Three separate personages: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods" (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577).
GOD THE FATHER: Joseph Smith explained, "I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (LDS History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 305).
GOD THE SON: Brigham Young stated, "The birth of the Saviours was a natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood, was begotten of his Father, as we were of our father" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 115). Mormon Apostle McConkie explained, "And Christ was born into the world as a literal Son this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. He was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events (Mormon Doctrine, p. 742).
Jesus, according to Milton Hunter of the LDS First Council of the Seventy, is the brother of Lucifer. "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).



Paris, France - In a surprising admission during last month's three nation European speaking trip, Mormon president Gordon B. Hinckley stated that the Christ he believes in is not the same Christ as the one followed by those outside the LDS Church.
Hinckley quoted unnamed critics of the LDS Church who claim that Mormons do not believe in the traditional Christ and then he agreed with them.
The LDS Church News reported: "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness [sic] of Times'" (June 20, 1998, <http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_church?dn98&9806210091>).

Originally Posted by SLCDave

We most definately do not.