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tec · 06-09-2007, 04:27 AM

This is not a politically motivated thread, so leave the dem's and the repub's and the inde's out of it. This is about America.

I was watching the Dog Fight show on History channel the other night, they had on there the air battles that occurred over Guadalcanal and how they were the last time the Japanese forces were on the offensive in WWII.
They interviewed some historians and a trainer at "top Gun" who pretty much agreed that the Americans who fought in WWII were very determined to win. This led to me to wondering if the general population in America today have the right stuff should a similar size conflict occur.

I am in no way saying that the USA armed forces in various places in the world today, be they fighting, training or patrolling right now, are not capable of doing their job.

Hypothetical situation:
American interests get attacked , from Cuba to Venezuela. American forces respond and go there.
Then, American forces get attacked in the North Korea area, and we respond
Then, American forces, who are still battling in Iraq, get attacked by Iran, and we respond.

If America had to fight another war like we did in WWII, where we fought major conflicts, in multiple theaters, would
1.) The majority of the American public support it
2.) The American industry be able to support the war machine
3.) The American Military be able to support it
4.) The American public support the use of weapons of mass destruction
5.) The American government USE weapons of mass destruction
6.) The American government tear itself apart with the internal conflicts pertaining to the war
7.) . Also, if the war came to shore in the USA, on USA soil in North America, would the Americans surrender like the French when Chuck Norris visits France, or would the American Armed citizens act like they did in the movie "Red Dawn" (1980's flick about USA being invaded).

discuss away

ArmyGuy45 · 06-09-2007, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tec

If America had to fight another war like we did in WWII, where we fought major conflicts, in multiple theaters, would
1.) The majority of the American public support it if they attacked us... i dont see why they wouldnt support us
2.) The American industry be able to support the war machine prob not... but thats what allies are for
3.) The American Military be able to support it same
4.) The American public support the use of weapons of mass destruction depends on how bad it gets
5.) The American government USE weapons of mass destruction same
6.) The American government tear itself apart with the internal conflicts pertaining to the war i think not
7.) . Also, if the war came to shore in the USA, on USA soil in North America, would the Americans surrender like the French when Chuck Norris visits France, or would the American Armed citizens act like they did in the movie "Red Dawn" (1980's flick about USA being invaded). i know that if i was a civy.... i would fight... i know my father and brother would

see heres the thing.. i dont think we could "go to war" with an other country with iraq... thats why i think we didnt do anything when North Korea did the bomb testing... but i know we have our eyes on them..
but if the north did act up... we wouldnt be the only ones going into them.. Us, south korea, and japan would do something..
we are not alone

Freedom1911 · 06-09-2007, 05:20 AM

If America had to fight another war like we did in WWII, where we fought major conflicts, in multiple theaters, would
1.) The majority of the American public support it

If the USA were attacked, here at home, on US soil, I think the people would support action. As always there would be antis protesting that would rather roll over and die but the majority would support action.

2.) The American industry be able to support the war machine

This is a hard one since so much/many of the industrial/manufacturing businesses have all packed up and moved to locations south of the border and Canada as well as other locals. Some businesses would be able to retool to support the manufacturing of Vehicles, arms clothing etc that the troops would need but I don't know if we have all the industries here on the mainland any more that it would take to be able to handle a war with out the aid of other countries.

3.) The American Military be able to support it

As always the men and women of the US armed forces would be up to the task, But I doubt that the service has the man power or the machines to sustain another world war, Bill Clinton cut the US military in half while he was in office and he cut the funding to the services by I don't know how much. If the next President makes it a point and I mean a HUGE point to rebuild the Military, double or triple of what it was before Bill Clinton cut it I doubt we could do any large scale actions for any length of time.

4.) The American public support the use of weapons of mass destruction

Here you would see the great divide. There would be a great many that would support the use of WMDs if it were ABSOLUTLY needed, The other side would say, there is never a time when WMDs could ever be needed, even if it meant the death of this republic, and IMHO people that think that way are UnAmerican Cowards who don't deserve the freedoms and protection that so many have died to give them.

5.) The American government USE weapons of mass destruction

Here I feel we could get support for it. But a week later you would have people like Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosy etc claiming they only voted for it because they were lied to and you would have all the same BS going on that we have now, just a different time with a different President.
Here you almost have to bring in the liberal left because they are the ones that would be voting against the use of WMDs at a time that the continuance of this nation would be dependent on them.

6.) The American government tear itself apart with the internal conflicts pertaining to the war

Almost guarantied.

7.) . Also, if the war came to shore in the USA, on USA soil in North America, would the Americans surrender like the French when Chuck Norris visits France, or would the American Armed citizens act like they did in the movie "Red Dawn" (1980's flick about USA being invaded).

All of my comments above are based on the event that the war had already come to our shores. I do not believe that the Military or the people of this nation would just surrender. Yes there are some real panty waste people here that would surrender to the other side and live in camps rather than fight for their country and their freedom, but on the whole I feel the country would go in fighting.

**Powerman** · 06-09-2007, 05:25 AM

I've wondered the same. The I raq war is no where near WWII. We may say we are committed, and the price tag sure is impressive, but what have we really committed to it? I found it appauling that we can only turn out several of those Scorpion troop carriers a month. They say they are making them as fast as they can.

In WWII we would turn out a Liberty Ship every day. How many planes did we produce? Now those weapons were very simple and not near as sofisticated as today, but....

I have also wonder just how dependent we are on other contrys. We do not produce many of our electronics. Look at steel over the past few years. China has consumed plenty making suply tight and prices rise. How much of a manufacturing effort would our steel industry be able to support? Where would our electronics come from? Japan and Tiwan may be allies, but what if the supply lines were cut?

It is an interesting subject.

Oh ya, Iraq is loaded with bad choices. I have no doubt that the American public would support a war of the WWII variety. We can argue what kind of a threat Sadam posed, but if say China or Korea started to gobble up niegbors, that would be a different story.

jeff221 · 06-09-2007, 05:35 AM

Don't forget, people supported the "War on Terror" when we were defending ourself against Bin Laden... Later, it was used to create this occupation in Iraq, but the original intent was completely supported in Afghanistan...

and I'm CERTAIN, that the public would have had more faith for an EXPANSION on the war on terror if we had Bin Laden locked up somewhere....

The question can be answered simply... If there is a NEED for a war such as you describe, I believe the public would COMPLETELY be behind it. Your comparison between WWII and Iraq is completely wrong, considering there was NO NEED to go into Iraq.

Iraq is no longer a war, it's an occupation....

xd4life · 06-09-2007, 05:51 AM

I think it would take a Pearl Harbor sized attack from another country, Not a terrorist org. The liberal left has it easy when they try a defend the Muslim Extremist actions. However if Iran or North Korea attack us directly then we would strike back. Remember the first WTC bombing??? How about Kobar towers??? A liberal Democrat was in office and those acts were treated as a criminal act not a act of war.

Also in this day and time, People are more worried about Paris Hilton and American idol that they get their 15 minutes of news from one source and there for have a one track mind. We are also so worried about people feelings these days. And we worry about things like civilian casualities when our enemies could give a F&*@ less.

ArmyGuy45 · 06-09-2007, 06:04 AM

it would be hard for them to come by sea or air.. our navy would take them out before they got to us soil... but if they landed at mexico... then they could come walking across...thats a diffrent story

tec · 06-09-2007, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff221

Don't forget, people supported the "War on Terror" when we were defending ourself against Bin Laden... Later, it was used to create this occupation in Iraq, but the original intent was completely supported in Afghanistan...

and I'm CERTAIN, that the public would have had more faith for an EXPANSION on the war on terror if we had Bin Laden locked up somewhere....

The question can be answered simply... If there is a NEED for a war such as you describe, I believe the public would COMPLETELY be behind it. Your comparison between WWII and Iraq is completely wrong, considering there was NO NEED to go into Iraq.

Iraq is no longer a war, it's an occupation....

Speaking in general terms here. Lets make it simpler for you, replace iraq with country XYZ.

tec · 06-09-2007, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyGuy45

it would be hard for them to come by sea or air.. our navy would take them out before they got to us soil... but if they landed at mexico... then they could come walking across...thats a diffrent story

Do we have enough Navy to go off to a few other locations and still keep enough here to defend America?

ArmyGuy45 · 06-09-2007, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff221

Don't forget, people supported the "War on Terror" when we were defending ourself against Bin Laden... Later, it was used to create this occupation in Iraq, but the original intent was completely supported in Afghanistan...

and I'm CERTAIN, that the public would have had more faith for an EXPANSION on the war on terror if we had Bin Laden locked up somewhere....

The question can be answered simply... If there is a NEED for a war such as you describe, I believe the public would COMPLETELY be behind it. Your comparison between WWII and Iraq is completely wrong, considering there was NO NEED to go into Iraq.

Iraq is no longer a war, it's an occupation....

so is korea a war.. or occupation?

06-09-2007, 04:27 AM	#1
tec XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Holland Ohio Posts: 8,654 Blog Entries: 1	Could America deal with another WWII size war today? This is not a politically motivated thread, so leave the dem's and the repub's and the inde's out of it. This is about America. I was watching the Dog Fight show on History channel the other night, they had on there the air battles that occurred over Guadalcanal and how they were the last time the Japanese forces were on the offensive in WWII. They interviewed some historians and a trainer at "top Gun" who pretty much agreed that the Americans who fought in WWII were *very determined to win.* This led to me to wondering if the general population in America today have the right stuff should a similar size conflict occur. I am in no way saying that the USA armed forces in various places in the world today, be they fighting, training or patrolling right now, are not capable of doing their job. Hypothetical situation: American interests get attacked , from Cuba to Venezuela. American forces respond and go there. Then, American forces get attacked in the North Korea area, and we respond Then, American forces, who are still battling in Iraq, get attacked by Iran, and we respond. If America had to fight another war like we did in WWII, where we fought major conflicts, in multiple theaters, would 1.) The majority of the American public support it 2.) The American industry be able to support the war machine 3.) The American Military be able to support it 4.) The American public support the use of weapons of mass destruction 5.) The American government USE weapons of mass destruction 6.) The American government tear itself apart with the internal conflicts pertaining to the war 7.) . Also, if the war came to shore in the USA, on USA soil in North America, would the Americans surrender like the French when Chuck Norris visits France, or would the American Armed citizens act like they did in the movie "Red Dawn" (1980's flick about USA being invaded). discuss away

06-09-2007, 05:20 AM	#3
Freedom1911 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 384	If America had to fight another war like we did in WWII, where we fought major conflicts, in multiple theaters, would 1.) The majority of the American public support it If the USA were attacked, here at home, on US soil, I think the people would support action. As always there would be antis protesting that would rather roll over and die but the majority would support action. 2.) The American industry be able to support the war machine This is a hard one since so much/many of the industrial/manufacturing businesses have all packed up and moved to locations south of the border and Canada as well as other locals. Some businesses would be able to retool to support the manufacturing of Vehicles, arms clothing etc that the troops would need but I don't know if we have all the industries here on the mainland any more that it would take to be able to handle a war with out the aid of other countries. 3.) The American Military be able to support it As always the men and women of the US armed forces would be up to the task, But I doubt that the service has the man power or the machines to sustain another world war, Bill Clinton cut the US military in half while he was in office and he cut the funding to the services by I don't know how much. If the next President makes it a point and I mean a HUGE point to rebuild the Military, double or triple of what it was before Bill Clinton cut it I doubt we could do any large scale actions for any length of time. 4.) The American public support the use of weapons of mass destruction Here you would see the great divide. There would be a great many that would support the use of WMDs if it were ABSOLUTLY needed, The other side would say, there is never a time when WMDs could ever be needed, even if it meant the death of this republic, and IMHO people that think that way are UnAmerican Cowards who don't deserve the freedoms and protection that so many have died to give them. 5.) The American government USE weapons of mass destruction Here I feel we could get support for it. But a week later you would have people like Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosy etc claiming they only voted for it because they were lied to and you would have all the same BS going on that we have now, just a different time with a different President. Here you almost have to bring in the liberal left because they are the ones that would be voting against the use of WMDs at a time that the continuance of this nation would be dependent on them. 6.) The American government tear itself apart with the internal conflicts pertaining to the war Almost guarantied. 7.) . Also, if the war came to shore in the USA, on USA soil in North America, would the Americans surrender like the French when Chuck Norris visits France, or would the American Armed citizens act like they did in the movie "Red Dawn" (1980's flick about USA being invaded). All of my comments above are based on the event that the war had already come to our shores. I do not believe that the Military or the people of this nation would just surrender. Yes there are some real panty waste people here that would surrender to the other side and live in camps rather than fight for their country and their freedom, but on the whole I feel the country would go in fighting. __________________ God Bless The USA It says "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". So vote or lose the rights you hold so dear. Proudly Politically Incorrect Re-DefeatCommunism in 2008, No more Obama Last edited by Freedom1911; 06-09-2007 at 05:22 AM.

06-09-2007, 05:25 AM	#4
Powerman XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,720	I've wondered the same. The I raq war is no where near WWII. We may say we are committed, and the price tag sure is impressive, but what have we really committed to it? I found it appauling that we can only turn out several of those Scorpion troop carriers a month. They say they are making them as fast as they can. In WWII we would turn out a Liberty Ship every day. How many planes did we produce? Now those weapons were very simple and not near as sofisticated as today, but.... I have also wonder just how dependent we are on other contrys. We do not produce many of our electronics. Look at steel over the past few years. China has consumed plenty making suply tight and prices rise. How much of a manufacturing effort would our steel industry be able to support? Where would our electronics come from? Japan and Tiwan may be allies, but what if the supply lines were cut? It is an interesting subject. Oh ya, Iraq is loaded with bad choices. I have no doubt that the American public would support a war of the WWII variety. We can argue what kind of a threat Sadam posed, but if say China or Korea started to gobble up niegbors, that would be a different story. __________________ XD-45 service Springer Trigger job TFOs Coal... Improving our lives one degree at a time.

06-09-2007, 05:35 AM	#5
jeff221 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 2,364	Don't forget, people supported the "War on Terror" when we were defending ourself against Bin Laden... Later, it was used to create this occupation in Iraq, but the original intent was completely supported in Afghanistan... and I'm CERTAIN, that the public would have had more faith for an EXPANSION on the war on terror if we had Bin Laden locked up somewhere.... The question can be answered simply... If there is a NEED for a war such as you describe, I believe the public would COMPLETELY be behind it. Your comparison between WWII and Iraq is completely wrong, considering there was NO NEED to go into Iraq. Iraq is no longer a war, it's an occupation.... __________________ Springfield XD40 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone (.40S&W) Springfield XD9 Tactical Black (9mm) Springfield G.I. Milspec Stainless 1911-A1 (.45 ACP) Kimber Raptor II 1911 (.45 ACP) Kel-Tec P-3AT (.380 ACP) Charter Arms "Off Duty" Revolver (.38 Spl) Ruger 22/45 Mark III (.22 LR) Smith&Wesson M&P15A 16in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) BushMaster Carbon-15 (.22 LR) BushMaster XM15 E2S 20in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) Stoeger P350 Tactical Pump Shotgun (12 Gauge) Winchester Black Model98 Canon (10 Gauge)

06-09-2007, 05:51 AM	#6
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	I think it would take a Pearl Harbor sized attack from another country, Not a terrorist org. The liberal left has it easy when they try a defend the Muslim Extremist actions. However if Iran or North Korea attack us directly then we would strike back. Remember the first WTC bombing??? How about Kobar towers??? A liberal Democrat was in office and those acts were treated as a criminal act not a act of war. Also in this day and time, People are more worried about Paris Hilton and American idol that they get their 15 minutes of news from one source and there for have a one track mind. We are also so worried about people feelings these days. And we worry about things like civilian casualities when our enemies could give a F&*@ less. __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

06-09-2007, 06:04 AM	#7
ArmyGuy45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mesa,AZ / Ft Carson, CO Posts: 3,412	it would be hard for them to come by sea or air.. our navy would take them out before they got to us soil... but if they landed at mexico... then they could come walking across...thats a diffrent story __________________ US Army 2005 - Present XD45 Compact - My Carry Suresights Springer Precision Trigger Kit/Bar ( needs install ) NRA Life Member Myspace If they take my guns, ill carry a sword!

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