Gun Control can stop crimes like this

[davidk]

I can see how restricting my rights as a law-abiding citizens can stop crimes like this:


http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/02/kil....ap/index.html

ATLANTIC CITY, New Jersey (AP) -- For Elisa Hernandez, no meant no -- and a tragic death at age 15.

When a frustrated suitor named Alfred Bishop asked her for a kiss, she refused him. Again and again, he asked. She said no. When he pulled out a revolver and pointed at her head, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jeffrey Blitz said, she pushed it away.

"She laughed him off," Blitz said.

The rejection cost her: After being rebuffed, Bishop shot her through the eye, cutting short the life of a bubbly, self-assured high school sophomore who loved hip-hop and dancing and went by "Lisa," according to authorities.

"She was just joyful, a funny, outgoing person who didn't care if people talked about her," said friend Barb Parred, 21. "But something she didn't want to do, she wouldn't do it."

Bishop, 21, was captured in Washington, D.C. He was being held without bail.

"It doesn't make any sense," said the victim's mother, also named Elisa Hernandez, 32. "I think there's more to it than this. My feelings tell me that."

On Tuesday night, the teen walked across the courtyard from the Brigantine Homes housing project unit she shared with her parents, both casino workers, and two siblings to visit with friends.

She was already inside apartment 880A visiting with three girls who lived there -- their mother, the only adult in the household, wasn't home -- when authorities say Bishop arrived.

Diagnosed as schizophrenic at age 10, Bishop had recently split with his girlfriend of six years and quit taking his medication because it made him sleepy and sluggish, according to his mother, Lisa Bishop, 40.

He had been drinking and smoking marijuana earlier that night, said Lisa Bishop, who talked to her son by telephone after the killing.

Alfred Bishop, who served a year in prison for aggravated assault by auto and was released nearly two years ago, was at the apartment because he had stored some of his belongings there, according to Blitz.

After some casual conversation in the kitchen, Bishop tried to get Hernandez to kiss him, but she laughed at him, according to Blitz.

Bishop then pulled out the gun, put it to her head and again demanded a kiss, Blitz said. According to witnesses, she said no and pushed the gun away twice before he shot her through the left eye and fled, Blitz said.

Hernandez died at the scene.

"He told me he did it and it was a big mistake and he loved me and was sorry to put me through all this," Bishop's mother said.

His lawyer, Joel Mayer, said Friday that Bishop didn't intend to shoot. He said Bishop was a non-violent man, an assertion also made by Bishop's ex-girlfriend, Nicole White, 22.

"I've been with him for six years and he never pulled a weapon on me, and we've been through everything," said White, the mother of Bishop's 3-year-old daughter. "He was never violent. We had our ups and downs, but he never hurt me."

Bishop had threatened Hernandez previously, according to Hernandez's family.

"That was not any accident, because two days before he killed my daughter, he was in my house drinking with me," said Luis Santiago, 34, the victim's father. "And I told him, `Yo, stop playing with a gun like that. You're a young kid. I've been in jail too much time. You will find yourself in jail for life.'

"Also, he told my daughter `You are going to be mine, or you are going to be dead,"' Santiago said.

[willbond]

So why the heck didn't the girl's Father, Santiago call the police when he was in his home drinking, with a pistol, after he'd been in prison? Hey, I feel sorry for that 15 year old girl, but she should have had enough sense to stay away from Drunk and High Schizophrenics with Guns. YOU LIVE GHETTO, YOU DIE GHETTO.

The Father should be arrested for Child Endangerment.

[MrTuffPaws]

"That was not any accident, because two days before he killed my daughter, he was in my house drinking with me," said Luis Santiago, 34, the victim's father. "And I told him, `Yo, stop playing with a gun like that. You're a young kid. I've been in jail too much time. You will find yourself in jail for life.'

WTF???

[mavisky]

I guess I don't see how this would have been fixed with gun control. With a criminal record I doubt he purchased the revolver legally. Not only that but he was a diagnosed schizophrenic with a criminal record, sounds like the last person they'd let own a gun legally.

[davidk]

Mavinsky.. I was being sarcastic

[mavisky]

Originally Posted by davidk

Mavinsky.. I was being sarcastic

The stupidity is strong with me today

[03RangerXLT]

it pisses me off how people bitch about gun laws not being tough enough, like this duchebag actually had the ability to go purchase his gun from a gun shop. Obvioulsy he didn't come to posess the gun legally. And in my home state of NJ no less. They are so tough on guns, that I will only move back if I can't get a LEO job there.

[[TASF]Overkill]

Come on guys, the huge gun control advocates will say (And it makes sense)... Stricter gun control would mean fewer people with guns, period, which makes it harder to acquire one illegally.

[NExd]

Originally Posted by [TASF

Overkill]Come on guys, the huge gun control advocates will say (And it makes sense)... Stricter gun control would mean fewer people with guns, period, which makes it harder to acquire one illegally.

The flaw in their logic is that there is no way to end the black market trade in weapons with millions of guns out there. Like the war on drugs, a war on guns will do nothing but make DANGEROUS gun dealers, who will stop at nothing to deal their guns.

[[TASF]Overkill]

I definitely disagree with their logic, but I do agree with their logic in that if you outlawed all guns right now, the number of BGs with guns in 50 years would be very much reduced. However, I don't think that's a great goal to have, and in the interim, I wouldn't want to be around. I'll give up mine when all the BG's give up their's and the government uses slingshots.