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Myk9noseknows · 05-28-2007, 07:19 PM

Here's a pic of what one looks like. I know it looks like a Midevil torture device, but the points don't actually poke the dog, they swing together like a hinge and cause the pinch.

The 2nd pic is a little blurry, but see how the pinch collor is right behind his ears, above his other collar. That's how it should be

Again, choke collars do not stay where they are needed. The pinch collar is actually more comfortable for the dog as it doesn't restrict breathing.

If your dog doesn't have much obedience training, (doesn't sound like he does), a gentle/muzzle leader probably won't do much good on teaching him discipline. I'm not trying to flame what other members use, I'm sure their techniques work on their dogs. I'm only stating what 17 years of K9 training has resulted in.

generaljl · 05-28-2007, 10:16 PM

+1 on the gentle leader. My Weim runs at the sight of it. Also has the added benefit of looking like a muzzle to keep people back while you walk.

Also work on the basic obedience (sit,stay,come). One thing I'm in the process of now is getting my fiancee to be a pack leader. I've been drilling my Weimeraner and Ridgeback on the "basics" again, both stubborn and driven beasts. With your wife being pregnant the stay is huge especially if you have stairs in the house. I just moved to a bungalow and this was never an issue before, but now they have to stay at the top of the steps until I/she is down. Keeps them from racing by and causing a trip. I also never let them out the door before me when going on walks. They HAVE to learn that they do nothing without your/her permission. It will make everyones life so much safer and orderly. They do crave good leadership once it's the norm. Get her to use a good low toned, authoritative voice also. The high pitched orders my fiancee gives just ramps them up.

Myk9noseknows,
I am also involved with the search dogs. I'm not a handler, just a lowely coordinator for a USAR team in Northeast Ohio. I am always impressed with the commitment of handlers. In fact I'm trying to talk my sister into donating her placenta to our K-9's for training. Guess they love it for HRD training, closest to fetal dna and all. Thanks for your hard work "So others may live".

xd4life · 05-28-2007, 10:58 PM

I have never had a dog that has any formal training or have I had any in training dogs. But the dogs I have are well trained and I don't use a leash or treats. i walk my dogs daily without a leash and they don't pay any attention to other people or animals. I have just made them walk beside me as pups without and with a leash and the same voice commands and tones. After a few months of on the leash and off the leash they settled in. We have a Jack Russel that will walk beside you at your pace no matter what

Training starts early...

Don · 05-28-2007, 11:13 PM

The reason a short leash is suggested is that you can lift and apply pressure to the windpipe. A long leash lets the collar apply pressure to the shoulders, and like a mule the dog can pull forever with no problems. Same reason to keep the collar up by the ears, so that you pull against the windpipe and not against the shoulders. Use a choke collar and lift You can use a long leash but remember to grab it short and lift for control.

I had a small frail friend with a strong male dog, don't make me tell you how she established dominance.

xd4life · 05-28-2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by generaljl

+1 on the gentle leader. My Weim runs at the sight of it. Also has the added benefit of looking like a muzzle to keep people back while you walk.

Also work on the basic obedience (sit,stay,come). One thing I'm in the process of now is getting my fiancee to be a pack leader. I've been drilling my Weimeraner and Ridgeback on the "basics" again, both stubborn and driven beasts. With your wife being pregnant the stay is huge especially if you have stairs in the house. I just moved to a bungalow and this was never an issue before, but now they have to stay at the top of the steps until I/she is down. Keeps them from racing by and causing a trip. I also never let them out the door before me when going on walks. They HAVE to learn that they do nothing without your/her permission. It will make everyones life so much safer and orderly. They do crave good leadership once it's the norm. Get her to use a good low toned, authoritative voice also. The high pitched orders my fiancee gives just ramps them up.

Myk9noseknows,
I am also involved with the search dogs. I'm not a handler, just a lowely coordinator for a USAR team in Northeast Ohio. I am always impressed with the commitment of handlers. In fact I'm trying to talk my sister into donating her placenta to our K-9's for training. Guess they love it for HRD training, closest to fetal dna and all. Thanks for your hard work "So others may live".

I would love to talk to you about your ridgeback, I have one also and is my favorite breed. My ridge unlike most loves to swim. And will chase a ball or frisbee down like noting you seen

dsump · 05-29-2007, 04:59 AM

Get a lab if you have kids. It's been a great decision. I've had Rots, Harriers, Shepards, Dalmations, Huskys.. and the best have been the labs. Good luck with controlling your Rot, remember they are listed as a dangerous and vicious dog and many homeowner insurance companies will not cover damages if it bites.

05-28-2007, 10:16 PM	#22
generaljl XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cleveland, Oh Posts: 95	+1 on the gentle leader. My Weim runs at the sight of it. Also has the added benefit of looking like a muzzle to keep people back while you walk. Also work on the basic obedience (sit,stay,come). One thing I'm in the process of now is getting my fiancee to be a pack leader. I've been drilling my Weimeraner and Ridgeback on the "basics" again, both stubborn and driven beasts. With your wife being pregnant the stay is huge especially if you have stairs in the house. I just moved to a bungalow and this was never an issue before, but now they have to stay at the top of the steps until I/she is down. Keeps them from racing by and causing a trip. I also never let them out the door before me when going on walks. They HAVE to learn that they do nothing without your/her permission. It will make everyones life so much safer and orderly. They do crave good leadership once it's the norm. Get her to use a good low toned, authoritative voice also. The high pitched orders my fiancee gives just ramps them up. Myk9noseknows, I am also involved with the search dogs. I'm not a handler, just a lowely coordinator for a USAR team in Northeast Ohio. I am always impressed with the commitment of handlers. In fact I'm trying to talk my sister into donating her placenta to our K-9's for training. Guess they love it for HRD training, closest to fetal dna and all. Thanks for your hard work "So others may live". __________________ In no particular order: DPMS lower with Del-Ton upper AR-15 XD SC 9mm XD 40 Service with chop grip Kimber Pro Tactical .45 Kimber Classic Custom .45 KT P3-AT Mossberg 500 Stoeger O/U Ruger 10/22

05-28-2007, 10:58 PM	#23
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	I have never had a dog that has any formal training or have I had any in training dogs. But the dogs I have are well trained and I don't use a leash or treats. i walk my dogs daily without a leash and they don't pay any attention to other people or animals. I have just made them walk beside me as pups without and with a leash and the same voice commands and tones. After a few months of on the leash and off the leash they settled in. We have a Jack Russel that will walk beside you at your pace no matter what Training starts early... __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

05-28-2007, 11:13 PM	#24
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,264	The reason a short leash is suggested is that you can lift and apply pressure to the windpipe. A long leash lets the collar apply pressure to the shoulders, and like a mule the dog can pull forever with no problems. Same reason to keep the collar up by the ears, so that you pull against the windpipe and not against the shoulders. Use a choke collar and lift You can use a long leash but remember to grab it short and lift for control. I had a small frail friend with a strong male dog, don't make me tell you how she established dominance. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod

05-29-2007, 04:59 AM	#26
dsump XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 275	Get a lab if you have kids. It's been a great decision. I've had Rots, Harriers, Shepards, Dalmations, Huskys.. and the best have been the labs. Good luck with controlling your Rot, remember they are listed as a dangerous and vicious dog and many homeowner insurance companies will not cover damages if it bites. __________________ I Own Lots Of Guns and a Home Security Alarm with Safe and a Crappy Dog

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05-28-2007, 07:19 PM	#21
Myk9noseknows XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,955	Here's a pic of what one looks like. I know it looks like a Midevil torture device, but the points don't actually poke the dog, they swing together like a hinge and cause the pinch. The 2nd pic is a little blurry, but see how the pinch collor is right behind his ears, above his other collar. That's how it should be Again, choke collars do not stay where they are needed. The pinch collar is actually more comfortable for the dog as it doesn't restrict breathing. If your dog doesn't have much obedience training, (doesn't sound like he does), a gentle/muzzle leader probably won't do much good on teaching him discipline. I'm not trying to flame what other members use, I'm sure their techniques work on their dogs. I'm only stating what 17 years of K9 training has resulted in.