Annoying Hollywood gun handling.

[bham shooter]

Ahh...
Gun errors in TV shows/movies!!

Always a good conversation. Watching anepisode of 24, Season 2 last night (I know, I know. I'm a little behind on this show) and it is the scene where the Arab guy us trying to take off in the plane with the nuke on board. Well, I've taken off in a plane pretty much that size before, several times, and that was the first mistake. When we took off, we would go from sitting still at the end of the runway, to in the air in about 10-12 seconds. Airplanes don't just ride down the runway and eventually take off. A large, loaded down jet may take a little longer to get up to lift speed, but a small prop plane can take off pretty quickly. They're smaller, lighter, and don't need as much runway room. The chase scene down the runway with the plane being chased by a pair of Hummers was unrealistic. Took at least 30 seconds. And if he really was going that slow and wasn't taking off yet, why couldn't the Hummer catch it and just plow into it? To me, that is the reasonable thing to do. You're already moving at a good rate of speed, just drop the hammer on it and run into the back of it or into a wing. But enough with that problem, let's get back to guns. Supposedly Jack Bauer is such a great shot with his Sig that he can stand up in the back of a moving Hummer, alongside the moving plane, and shoot out the tire of the plane in one shot. Yeah, like I'm supposed to believe that. Also, another one I've noticed on 24 multiple times is that whenever Jack joins up with some team, they all have on body armor, helmets, and are generally carrying rifles. But he blazes in there first with nothing but his pistol and a flashlight. That sure is realistic.

[okgr8outdrs]

Some of my least favorites...

I forget which movie, but Denzel Washington racks the slide on his Glock and a live round goes flying out, camera focuses on it and motion slows for effect.

Someone picks up an empty Glock, pulls the trigger and "click". In desparation, they keep pulling the trigger and it just keeps clicking.

Anyone shot at any distance with a 12 ga. will be lifted off their feet and thrown at least 5 feet.

Glass bottles will shatter and stop bullets from harming anyone standing directly behind them.

Bullets bouncing off pavement will spark and ignite any available fuel source.

[ffej]

Originally Posted by Radio Relay

I get a kick out of the "man on the street" interviews that you see on the news of people who just witnessed a shooting. Invariably they say they thought it was "firecrackers". They've been conditioned to the "movie" experience of gun fire.

It really makes you wonder how deep the phoney "movie world" conditioning goes, and warps the way we handle reality? And, how much this warped, "movie world" view is responsible for the looney toons baloney that goes on in the "real world" today?

I think real life gunfire does sound more like firecrackers - actually very boring and not the fantastic "cool" fake sounds that are used in Hollywood.

So, when you hear the "man on the street" interviews on the news and they say "firecrackers", from my experience they are pretty much right on.

On the other hand, gunfire out in the country where you have an echo type factor may sound less like boring firecrackers but still not like Hollywood gunfire.

[grahamstein]

I saw a funny movie mistake years ago that really made me laugh. It was in the made-for-tv movie of "Journey to the Center of the Earth". At one point a guy was shooting at some weird underground mosters with an m16. The funny part was that he fired about 50 rounds, ducked behind some rocks for cover, then as he turned around to start shooting again you clearly see the mag fall out of the gun, as he proceeds to fire another 50 rounds or so. I think i was 10 years old or so and even I knew more about guns than the editors of that movie, and i never fired a gun untill I was 15.

[Hwkeye]

Originally Posted by bham shooter

Ahh...
Gun errors in TV shows/movies!!

Always a good conversation. Watching anepisode of 24, Season 2 last night (I know, I know. I'm a little behind on this show) and it is the scene where the Arab guy us trying to take off in the plane with the nuke on board. Well, I've taken off in a plane pretty much that size before, several times, and that was the first mistake. When we took off, we would go from sitting still at the end of the runway, to in the air in about 10-12 seconds. Airplanes don't just ride down the runway and eventually take off. A large, loaded down jet may take a little longer to get up to lift speed, but a small prop plane can take off pretty quickly. They're smaller, lighter, and don't need as much runway room. The chase scene down the runway with the plane being chased by a pair of Hummers was unrealistic. Took at least 30 seconds. And if he really was going that slow and wasn't taking off yet, why couldn't the Hummer catch it and just plow into it? To me, that is the reasonable thing to do. You're already moving at a good rate of speed, just drop the hammer on it and run into the back of it or into a wing. But enough with that problem, let's get back to guns. Supposedly Jack Bauer is such a great shot with his Sig that he can stand up in the back of a moving Hummer, alongside the moving plane, and shoot out the tire of the plane in one shot. Yeah, like I'm supposed to believe that. Also, another one I've noticed on 24 multiple times is that whenever Jack joins up with some team, they all have on body armor, helmets, and are generally carrying rifles. But he blazes in there first with nothing but his pistol and a flashlight. That sure is realistic.

Yeah but you have to realize, Jack Bauer is:

1) The Man

and 2) Supposed to be iconed as that kind of character. They WANT him to be portreyed like that, if he wasnt, what would be the fun?? Anyways, if it were real, he would have been dead in the first season anyway.

[Radio Relay]

Originally Posted by ffej

I think real life gunfire does sound more like firecrackers - actually very boring and not the fantastic "cool" fake sounds that are used in Hollywood.

So, when you hear the "man on the street" interviews on the news and they say "firecrackers", from my experience they are pretty much right on.

On the other hand, gunfire out in the country where you have an echo type factor may sound less like boring firecrackers but still not like Hollywood gunfire.

Maybe it's just me, but I can tell the difference between gunfire and firecrackers. Although, the smaller calibers are closer to the same sound.

It is true that the movie sound of gunshots is for effect. Much of this stuff is done to make the story more compelling. The plane takes longer than it should to get airborn, or the movie gunshots sound cool, or the hero can jump out of a tall building after the bad guy jumped out and catch the bad guy by falling faster (a physical impossibility). Most of that stuff isn't because the people making the movie are stupid. In most cases, they don't care. It just makes the story better, or more fun to watch.

However, my point is, that the dummies watching the movies, and TV shows don't realize that it's not reality. They think you can jump out of a tall building and catch someone who jumped out before you did, or every explosion has lots of fire and smoke, or gunshots sound like little thunder claps.

That's not all that terrible. What's terrible is that the left leaning buttholes who make the movies and TV shows not only take liberties with the physical facts, but also with the historical facts, or intentionally skew the social and political facts. This too then becomes reality to the boobs watching the boob-tube. Before you know it, we have a nation run by the boobs. People with no real experience of what is actual or true, but who's view of the world has been warped by the false reality shaped by propagandists!

Hope that was clear as mud...

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by okgr8outdrs

Some of my least favorites...

I forget which movie, but Denzel Washington racks the slide on his Glock and a live round goes flying out, camera focuses on it and motion slows for effect.

Someone picks up an empty Glock, pulls the trigger and "click". In desparation, they keep pulling the trigger and it just keeps clicking.

Anyone shot at any distance with a 12 ga. will be lifted off their feet and thrown at least 5 feet.

Glass bottles will shatter and stop bullets from harming anyone standing directly behind them.

Bullets bouncing off pavement will spark and ignite any available fuel source.

Those are good ones. Ya, I like it when they have a shoot out and then they pull the trigger on there auto and they are suprised that they are out of bullets. How about the slide being open???

I'm glad I'm not the only one. The "airplane chase on the runway" scene isn't guns, but it is my all time stupidest thing I hate in the movies.

The Mexican stand off is the second stupidest.

And last, I get so tired of seeing grenades go off and looking like a barrel of gasoline was set off. (Which is what it was)

The Swartzeneger movies I don't mind. I know that is stupid. However, when I am supposed to believe I am watching an expert gun handler, and as a novice I can point out flaws, that is pretty bad.

One last note. I have had some training in workplace violence. In a lot of shootings, victims hear the gun shots, but they don't sound like gun shots in the office setting and they actually go to investigate. They just about alway say it sounded like snaps, or popcorn. the point being that it did not sound like gun fire or even something that they should be alarmed about. In the training they were trying to make the point that gun fire in the office will not sound like it does in the movies.

[turbosupra1313]

i believe it was possibly Dave_in_DE that posted the picture of his girlfiend with what looks like swat people from a movie posing, and half of them have their booger hooks on the boom switch!!! one even has it pointed at her! and dave did say that they use the real thing.....

[eric_t12]

its all made up for in parodies, like HOT SHOTS PART DEUX! - where he fires the M60 and the brass just piles up at his feet, or the body count is on the screen i laugh every time i see it.

or where they shoot at each other from 5 feet away on SCARY MOVIE! 3 LOL
and they all get killed when she shoots the RPG

[ffej]

Probably the worst misinformation and the most damaging to us, the law abiding armed citizen, is the misrepresentation of the evil "hollow point" bullets!

In one movie, one cop was reminiscing with another about how the jailbird had "shot you through your vest with hollow points! HP's are usually less effective at penetrating armor than ball ammo!

Law abiding armed citizens generally use hollow point rounds not only for their effectiveness at stopping a threat but even more importantly for the safety of innocent bystanders or family members who may be hit by through-and-through hits with ball ammo.

Point being - Hollywood, and the media seem to have it backwards when it comes to ball vs hp ammo.

Funny aside - if you saw The Sopranos this week, Tony was busted for having hollow points (NJ law). When the whole SWAT team showed up at his home to arrest him, his wife asked if all this force was neccessary and the lead LEO said "we take hollow point bullets very seriously" or something terrifically stupid like that!