Take THAT Iran!

[Dibs50]

Originally Posted by havoc1

By the way, I might be stepping outside my lane with this one, but...

Is there a dude just out of the picture with electrodes clamped to their testicles or an AK trained on them?

I would say "yes". A recent interview with one of the "original hostages" (Iran 1979) said that exactly what happened to them. I'm not defending or attacking these British Sailors/Marines. I'm not sure any of us know what we'd do when the rubber hit the road and we were in the sh*t real deep.

[deepdiver]

Originally Posted by Jettubby

Take a look at history folks and it will always reveal the answer. Iran is testing us and our allies to see what we'll do. They've been taunting us for a while now and they've just taken it to the next level. Look at what Hitler did leading up to WWII. He goes and attacks one small country after another to see what the world would do. How many times did Hitler lie by signing peace treaties or saying he was for peace and claiming he didn't want to invade anyone. IE: Poland. Churchill was right and knew what Hitler's intentions were. Ah but the British and many Americans just couldn'y believe that Hitler would do what he did. Thus the massive protests against WWII. Just watch.

GREAT point!! I just hope that there is another Churchill out there to step up and give the West the inspiration it needs to stand up to the tyranny before we end up with a conflagaration the extent of WWII. I fear that won't happen until we have no choice but total military commitment on a global scale.

[Dibs50]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

I think it was another POW that was blinking in MORSE code that he meant none of what he was saying and they were a$$holes (don't quote me, just what i remember, it was on AFN, so it must have been true.)

The individual that you are thinking of was Navy Commander Jeremiah Denton (he later became an Admiral). While being interviewed by the Vietnamese, he blinked the word "Torture" in Morse Code.

Here's a paragraph from his website

http://dentonfoundation.org/Jeremiah%20Denton.htm

"Throughout the interview, while responding to questions and feigning sensitivity to harsh lighting, Denton blinked his eyes in Morse Code, repeatedly spelling out a covert message: "T-O-R-T-U-R-E". The interview, which was broadcast on American television on May 17, 1966, was the first confirmation that American POWs in Vietnam were being tortured."

All I have to say is "God Bless Him". He's got stones MUCH larger than mine.

[Jettubby]

Here's an interesting take on the ordeal......


15 Britons In a Sea Of Intrigue

By David Ignatius
Friday, March 30, 2007; Page A17

BERLIN -- We are in a season of skulduggery in the Middle East, with a strange series of events that all involve the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The murky saga is a reminder that the real power in Iran may lie with this secretive organization, which spawned Iran's firebrand president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The Revolutionary Guard orchestrated the seizure of 15 British sailors and marines last week near the mouth of the Shatt al Arab waterway between Iraq and Iran. The British say they have technical data to prove that their people were outside Iran's territorial waters when they were captured, and they have protested vigorously to Iranian diplomats. But the Iranian Foreign Ministry doesn't seem to know anything about the case. Indeed, it may have been one of the indirect targets.

The Revolutionary Guard seized the hostages, if that's the right word, at a time when it is under intense and growing pressure. U.S. troops captured five of its intelligence operatives in January in the Iraqi city of Irbil. Perhaps the Guard's commanders wanted some bargaining chips to get their people back.

There are larger forces at play, too. The Revolutionary Guard was targeted in the U.N. sanctions enacted last weekend against Iran's nuclear program -- which, as it happens, is run by the Revolutionary Guard. The elite military group may have wanted to retaliate by imposing its own brute sanctions against Britain, one of the five permanent members of the Security Council.

European officials note that the provocative move comes as speculation grows about new discussions between the United States and Iran -- a dialogue the Revolutionary Guard may oppose. Representatives of the two nations met in Baghdad this month as part of a regional conference on Iraqi security, and it was expected that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would meet her Iranian counterpart at a follow-up meeting in Istanbul in April. That meeting may be in jeopardy if the British sailors and marines aren't returned soon.

The Revolutionary Guard may also have hoped to sabotage diplomatic negotiations over the nuclear issue. U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns said several weeks ago that the United States was getting "pinged all over the world" by Iranian intermediaries who wanted a resumption of talks. Iran's chief negotiator, Ali Larijani, hinted at such a message in his recent contacts with the European Union's top diplomat, Javier Solana. But the prospect of nuclear talks may have been blown out of the water, as it were, until the British issue is resolved.

Maybe that was the goal of seizing the sailors and marines. The Revolutionary Guard, after all, can't be happy about curbing the nuclear program that would allow it to project power even more aggressively.

But what's making the Revolutionary Guard so jittery? Why is it behaving as if someone had made off with its family jewels? Maybe that's where the last of the mysterious events comes in.

On Feb. 7, a top Revolutionary Guard officer named Brig. Gen. Ali Reza Asgari vanished in Istanbul. This is no small fish. He is a former deputy defense minister who, during the late 1980s and early 1990s, had been Iran's key operative in Lebanon, helping organize its proxy army, Hezbollah. According to Bob Baer, who was a CIA case officer in Beirut at that time, Asgari was the primary contact for Hezbollah's leader, Hasan Nasrallah, and its most feared terrorist operative, Imad Mughniyah. "Asgari was in the IRGC's chain of command when it was kidnapping and assassinating Westerners in Lebanon in the '80s," Baer wrote in Time.

So what happened to Asgari, a man who knows some of the Revolutionary Guard's most precious secrets? Officials in Washington, Paris and Berlin shrug and say, sorry, they just can't be helpful on this one. But a leading Israeli daily, Yedioth Aharonoth, reported soon after Asgari's disappearance that Mossad had organized his defection. An Israeli defense source was quoted in the Sunday Times of London on March 11 as saying that Asgari "probably was working for Mossad but believed he was working for a European intelligence agency."

The betting among spy buffs is that Asgari was recruited in what's known as a "false flag" operation. His handlers may be Israelis posing as officers of another intelligence service, perhaps even during the debriefing. Such speculation was piqued two weeks ago when the German defense minister, Franz Josef Jung, was asked during a visit to Turkey whether Asgari was in Germany. "I cannot say anything on this issue," he replied.

In the perverse spy story that is the Middle East, we have started a strange new chapter. This one has killers and kidnappers galore, and a plot to die for.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by BBunin

Sounds like SAS is going to get a chance to earn their pay, again...

Unlike American "Special Ops" teams, the SAS will get something done.

U.S. Delta Force = Crashed Helicopters in the sand trying to rescue hostages.
Navy Seals = CNN Photo OP once they land.
Rangers = Our star football player got killed during friendly fire.
Green Berets = (has anyone even heard of these guys lately or did they all get killed filiming Predator)
B.U.D.S. = Basic Underwater Douchebag School


My paintball team could phuckup U.S. special ops. British SAS rules!!!! If SAS fails, please contact Israel.

Signed,

Practice makes Perfect

[newKid]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Unlike American "Special Ops" teams, the SAS will get something done.

U.S. Delta Force = Crashed Helicopters in the sand trying to rescue hostages.
Navy Seals = CNN Photo OP once they land.
Rangers = Our star football player got killed during friendly fire.
Green Berets = (has anyone even heard of these guys lately or did they all get killed filiming Predator)
B.U.D.S. = Basic Underwater Douchebag School


My paintball team could phuckup U.S. special ops. British SAS rules!!!! If SAS fails, please contact Israel.

Signed,

Practice makes Perfect

i could be wrong, but if you are refering to the hostage situation back when Carter was president, aside from bad planning, i thought it was more the fault of helicopter pilots who werent trained in special operations. (hence the creation of the "Nightstalkers" to carry around special forces.
I dont think that Delta itself was at fault. that said.

i think that the SAS and the Sayeret Matkal, and maybe GSG9 could own. . .pretty much anybody. .

[havoc1]

LUVMYSIGP225, you know what? If you're serious at all in what you're saying, you're a jackass. The outright ignorance you've displayed is mind-boggling.

First off, Delta Force didn't crash helicopters. Two helos got lost in a sandstorm on the way in or had mechanical problems and had to abort. A third had mechanical problems after refueling. Losing 3 helicopters was the pre-determined decision point to scrap the mission. Unfortunately, in brown-out conditions on take-off, one of the remaining helos hit a parked C-130 and crashed, killing 8 people. Reason for this? We'd never trained for helo aviation like that in the past. Result? As stated, the Nightstalkers were created. But I'm sure the whole operation is very funny to you.

Navy SEAL CNN photop? Yeah, I'll bet they did that on purpose. Someone else, likely a civilian with political gains to be made, couldn't shut their damned man-pleaser.

If you think friendly fire/fratricide never happens, you're an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions. It's an unfortunate occupational hazard in an job as dangerous as ours. That doesn't make it right or acceptable, but it's happened throughout history. Then again, fog of war to you is probably losing your little heads-up display/radar when gaming in Battlefield 2.

As far as Green Berets? I think I've already established that arguing with you is like winning the special olympics. Do you honestly think those guys are supposed to be front-page news all the time?

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

My paintball team could phuckup U.S. special ops.

Yeah, if you had any credibility whatsoever as you started that statement, you showed your ass here. Go back to your Unreal Tournament and troll elsewhere, keyboard warrior.

[tec]

Originally Posted by havoc1

LUVMYSIGP225, you know what? If you're serious at all in what you're saying, you're a jackass. The outright ignorance you've displayed is mind-boggling.

First off, Delta Force didn't crash helicopters. Two helos got lost in a sandstorm on the way in or had mechanical problems and had to abort. A third had mechanical problems after refueling. Losing 3 helicopters was the pre-determined decision point to scrap the mission. Unfortunately, in brown-out conditions on take-off, one of the remaining helos hit a parked C-130 and crashed, killing 8 people. Reason for this? We'd never trained for helo aviation like that in the past. Result? As stated, the Nightstalkers were created. But I'm sure the whole operation is very funny to you.

Navy SEAL CNN photop? Yeah, I'll bet they did that on purpose. Someone else, likely a civilian with political gains to be made, couldn't shut their damned man-pleaser.

If you think friendly fire/fratricide never happens, you're an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions. It's an unfortunate occupational hazard in an job as dangerous as ours. That doesn't make it right or acceptable, but it's happened throughout history. Then again, fog of war to you is probably losing your little heads-up display/radar when gaming in Battlefield 2.

As far as Green Berets? I think I've already established that arguing with you is like winning the special olympics. Do you honestly think those guys are supposed to be front-page news all the time?


Yeah, if you had any credibility whatsoever as you started that statement, you showed your ass here. Go back to your Unreal Tournament and troll elsewhere, keyboard warrior.

I'm getting the feeling that your holding back from saying what you truly feel. Don't hold back, let it out.

[newKid]

Originally Posted by havoc1

LUVMYSIGP225, you know what? If you're serious at all in what you're saying, you're a jackass. The outright ignorance you've displayed is mind-boggling.

First off, Delta Force didn't crash helicopters. Two helos got lost in a sandstorm on the way in or had mechanical problems and had to abort. A third had mechanical problems after refueling. Losing 3 helicopters was the pre-determined decision point to scrap the mission. Unfortunately, in brown-out conditions on take-off, one of the remaining helos hit a parked C-130 and crashed, killing 8 people. Reason for this? We'd never trained for helo aviation like that in the past. Result? As stated, the Nightstalkers were created. But I'm sure the whole operation is very funny to you.

Navy SEAL CNN photop? Yeah, I'll bet they did that on purpose. Someone else, likely a civilian with political gains to be made, couldn't shut their damned man-pleaser.

If you think friendly fire/fratricide never happens, you're an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions. It's an unfortunate occupational hazard in an job as dangerous as ours. That doesn't make it right or acceptable, but it's happened throughout history. Then again, fog of war to you is probably losing your little heads-up display/radar when gaming in Battlefield 2.

As far as Green Berets? I think I've already established that arguing with you is like winning the special olympics. Do you honestly think those guys are supposed to be front-page news all the time?


Yeah, if you had any credibility whatsoever as you started that statement, you showed your ass here. Go back to your Unreal Tournament and troll elsewhere, keyboard warrior.

arguing with Sig is like the special olympics, huh? i dont see any argument here. arguments require 2 or more people. i just see you pissed. Sig's comments were in jest. meant to stimulate conversation.if you knew him better you would know that. take a breath and chill. He is a stand up guy and would not seriously bash our troops like that, special forces or otherwise.

[fastboy]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Unlike American "Special Ops" teams, the SAS will get something done.

U.S. Delta Force = Crashed Helicopters in the sand trying to rescue hostages.
Navy Seals = CNN Photo OP once they land.
Rangers = Our star football player got killed during friendly fire.
Green Berets = (has anyone even heard of these guys lately or did they all get killed filiming Predator)
B.U.D.S. = Basic Underwater Douchebag School


My paintball team could phuckup U.S. special ops. British SAS rules!!!! If SAS fails, please contact Israel.

Signed,

Practice makes Perfect

LMAO, man.

Seriously, I think the Commie Chinese People's Liberation Army paratroop or the Russian Spetznaz are the only ones who can get the job done. These soldiers who are brought up and trained in an environment where human rights are at the bottom of the priority list have the ruthlessness to inflict total mayhem without hands tied. Just look at how the Russians deal with the rebels in Chechnya and the Chinese in their muslim Xinjiang province - no cute things like giving out chocolate or building basketball courts (which the middle easterners consider a gesture of weakness); they are there to cause destruction and death. They are the kind of soldier that the middle easterners understand and fear. We don't necessarily want the Chinese or the Russians to be our friends, but in situation like this, all the western militaries need do is to stand on the side line and applaud when these guys finish their job.