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coastemac · 10-22-2006, 11:35 AM

Well, guess there is pro's and con's for everything. I thought that with all the AD/ND's we've been seeing here I should post this... was sent to me by another LEO. Please feel free to post what you think of it.

www.safetybullet.com (make sure you view the video, link at the bottom.)

My thoughts:
Not a bad product, provided you train and remember to chamber the next round for a home invasion senerio, if not you will have to fight with your new paperweight...

Zim · 10-22-2006, 12:30 PM

Make's me wonder how come they didn't show how to remove it after it's been fired. Let's say a kid get's a hold of a gun with a safety bullet in it kid pulls the trigger nothing happens ok good, so he puts the gun away looks like it hasn't been touched. Later that night someone breaks into the house dad grabs the gun tries to eject the safety bullet but he can't, so now he has to grab the ejector rod reset the saftey bullet then load a live round. Wouldn't that have been good to show in the infomercial how easy it is to remove it should a situation like this to occur.

kmroxo · 10-22-2006, 12:42 PM

Looks like a good product, but I don't know if it is the end all, be all for the issue. What if you have a safety bullet in the chamber and one at the top of the mag, but only cycle once because you forget. I'm not saying the gun shouldn't be safed in some manner from prying eyes and hands, but I like the Gun Vault and Wall-Vault (biometric model) better. They both provide pretty damn quick access to a loaded gun, but totally prevent access to unauthroized users so the situation Zim described can't happen.

coastemac · 10-22-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim

Make's me wonder how come they didn't show how to remove it after it's been fired.

I agree, they didnt show how to remove it... BUT... they did state that it takes about 10-15 seconds to remove it, and if you read on, it states that you can use a dowl rod, etc. to remove. Sounds to me like you just need something to reverse the (now spent) round.
I also agree that this isnt the be-all and end-all, but it seems to have its place. Still dont know if I would want one or not.
Basically, the guns that I feel I need to leave unlocked for home protection are either on my person, or hidden. My little guy is only 3 and isnt allowed, nor does he go in our room without us. Not saying he wont someday in the future though. For this reason, I do not keep one in the chamber, neither does my wife with her pistol. Also why I am getting a GunVault, so that I can leave one in the pipe.
Just my .02.

**XDAndMe** · 10-22-2006, 06:13 PM

What's to prevent a kid that might know a thing or two about guns from cycling it and *then* pulling the trigger?

**DanTheEldest** · 10-22-2006, 06:21 PM

Seems like a good idea, but in practice I wonder if a good snapcap or practice round might not do the same thing.

Tomcat088 · 10-22-2006, 06:35 PM

My thoughts are along with what XDandME and DantheEldest said. What's to keep them from trying to rack the slide and eject the round, or that a good snap cap would probably do about the same thing. Also 10-15 seconds is way way too long to get out of a firearm that I need right away. I think it should be ready to go when you need it, otherwise it needs to be locked up, or on ya.

griz · 10-22-2006, 06:44 PM

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What's to prevent a kid that might know a thing or two about guns from cycling it and *then* pulling the trigger?

I watched the video and it appears that a pin is driven forward between the 4 sections of delron plastic and it wedges itself into the chamber like a drive pin concrete anchor would. Without using some type of dowel to drive the pin back into the "safety" bullet, the gun won't cycle because the bullet is wedged into the chamber like an anchor.

Problems: As noted, if the "safety" bullet has been discharged without the owner knowing it, such as if a child pulls the trigger then puts the gun back, then is needed in an emergency, you're hosed and in all likelyhood end up dead.

Safety bullets appear to be one time use. At $19.95 each, it's going to be used probably every bit as often as a freebie gun lock given away at your local PD or Sheriff's department.

Pros: Looks like it works, probably too well.

**XDAndMe** · 10-22-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by griz

I watched the video and it appears that a pin is driven forward between the 4 sections of delron plastic and it wedges itself into the chamber like a drive pin concrete anchor would. Without using some type of dowel to drive the pin back into the "safety" bullet, the gun won't cycle because the bullet is wedged into the chamber like an anchor.

What I mean is, what if the kid clears the weapon first, and then reloads it, or at least figured out how to eject & chamber the next round? If it's a kid that has been taught how to handle guns, or has seen daddy doing it, he might be able to figure it out.

I know when I was young, I was a tinkerer. I wanted to take everything apart and figure out how it works (why I'm an engineer today). I used to play with and disassemble everything. RC cars, remote controls, whatever I could get my hands on... and I'd put them back together too. One of the first things that I, personally, would observe about a gun is that "hey, this thing moves. Let's pull it back and see what it does..." and thus I would have cycled the slide. Why? Because I already knew what pulling the trigger does. That's common knowledge, and that wasn't what I was interested in as a kid.

griz · 10-22-2006, 06:58 PM

Yep, in that case, the kid would have effectively removed the "perfect" gun safety device out of the equation.

10-22-2006, 11:35 AM	#1
coastemac XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Area, Florida Posts: 1,194	Prevents AD/ND's??? See this new product !!! Well, guess there is pro's and con's for everything. I thought that with all the AD/ND's we've been seeing here I should post this... was sent to me by another LEO. Please feel free to post what you think of it. www.safetybullet.com (make sure you view the video, link at the bottom.) My thoughts: Not a bad product, provided you train and remember to chamber the next round for a home invasion senerio, if not you will have to fight with your new paperweight... __________________ coastemac U.S. Coast Guard Gunnersmate XD Service Dark Earth .45 ACP (new) XD Sub-Compact Bi-Tone .40 cal Savage Model 10 FP (6X-18X 42mm) Marlin Model 336RC 30-30 Marlin Model 17VS .17 HMR Taurus PT-908 9mm Ruger 22/45 .22lr (and a few others...)

10-22-2006, 12:30 PM	#2
Zim XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Reno,NV Posts: 543	Make's me wonder how come they didn't show how to remove it after it's been fired. Let's say a kid get's a hold of a gun with a safety bullet in it kid pulls the trigger nothing happens ok good, so he puts the gun away looks like it hasn't been touched. Later that night someone breaks into the house dad grabs the gun tries to eject the safety bullet but he can't, so now he has to grab the ejector rod reset the saftey bullet then load a live round. Wouldn't that have been good to show in the infomercial how easy it is to remove it should a situation like this to occur. __________________ My pistols XD 45 tactical XD 45 service compact XD 9 service XD 40 sub-compact Springfield 1911-A1 G.I. Beretta 92fs Sig SP2022 Walther P22 Ruger MKII S&W 640 NAA .22 magnum Vengence isn't a valid motive. Revenge is a emotional response. No, not vengence. Punishment. Sic vis pacem Parabellum.

10-22-2006, 12:42 PM	#3
kmroxo XDTalk Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 87	Looks like a good product, but I don't know if it is the end all, be all for the issue. What if you have a safety bullet in the chamber and one at the top of the mag, but only cycle once because you forget. I'm not saying the gun shouldn't be safed in some manner from prying eyes and hands, but I like the Gun Vault and Wall-Vault (biometric model) better. They both provide pretty damn quick access to a loaded gun, but totally prevent access to unauthroized users so the situation Zim described can't happen. __________________ XD-40 Service S&W 642 w/ Crimson Trace grips

10-22-2006, 06:21 PM	#6
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10-22-2006, 06:13 PM	#5
XDAndMe XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: PA, USA Posts: 3,402	What's to prevent a kid that might know a thing or two about guns from cycling it and then pulling the trigger?

10-22-2006, 06:35 PM	#7
Tomcat088 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lubbock, Tx Posts: 688	My thoughts are along with what XDandME and DantheEldest said. What's to keep them from trying to rack the slide and eject the round, or that a good snap cap would probably do about the same thing. Also 10-15 seconds is way way too long to get out of a firearm that I need right away. I think it should be ready to go when you need it, otherwise it needs to be locked up, or on ya.

10-22-2006, 06:58 PM	#10
griz XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NW MO Posts: 767	Yep, in that case, the kid would have effectively removed the "perfect" gun safety device out of the equation.