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The Knight Of Light · 10-10-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TOMBO

Yet another tragic On The Job accident for this guy. Maybe he should get workmans comp. HAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Neomet · 10-10-2006, 11:33 PM

I'm agreeing with KOL here with the limited info available. Do me a favor, if someone has a gun stuffed in my back, do not draw on him unless he is stupid enough to let you out of his line of his vision and you can be 100% certain that you are going to put the first round directly in his medula oblongata. I personally would probably be pissed off if I was left paralyzed, ****ting into a bag due a bullet to the spinal cord because my buddy thought he could outdraw a BG who already has a gun stuffed in my back with his finger on the trigger. Ya gotta realize when drawing your weapon is a good idea vs a bad idea. One answer does not fit all situations.

Nice end of the story, but I'm not so sure I would have drawn on him when it sounds like he did. Its possible they are just very, very lucky. I wasn't there so I'm not sure.

The Knight Of Light · 10-10-2006, 11:38 PM

Not to mention she was probably happy and pissed of he drew with her in a high hit factor situation. It would be nice to have more info but we don't so if I make an objective opinion on the situation please forgive me if it is not what you would have done or if the guy was a Navy CeeBee. We just don't know. I am happy they got out of it OK. Now if there was or will be some follow up to this it would be nice.

BTW thanks Neo!

robinsre · 10-10-2006, 11:43 PM

Sorry...I hope I didn't offend.

I just can't see a street dirtbag like this leaving anyone alive even if you do everything he asks with a smile on your face and a yes sir...

The Knight Of Light · 10-10-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by robinsre

Sorry...I hope I didn't offend.

I just can't see a street dirtbag like this leaving anyone alive even if you do everything he asks with a smile on your face and a yes sir...

It takes a lot more than that to get me riled up. I just don't anyone else here thinking they need to start some sh!t with a BG because this other guy did it. I have been to some training classes and I have seen how hard it is to get off a decent shot on a hostage target. In fact my hostage target would not be able to wear ear rings anymore if it was for real. BG target was dead to rights though.

Neomet · 10-10-2006, 11:51 PM

None taken at all Robinse. Its just that I've had uglier things happen to me and was able to see the sun rise the next day without me going to what I consider a highrisk option. I only want to draw when I have to and can make the situation better. Very, very tough thing to do in heat of the moment, but ya gotta do your best at keeping your head screwed on tight.

robinsre · 10-10-2006, 11:51 PM

Oh I'm not disputing that at all..its a very bad situation to be in.

Someone elsewhere brought up the "have your friend point a squirtgun at you and try and knock it out of his hands" idea. Anyone who wants to try some ninja moves on a BG should try that first

locobombero · 10-10-2006, 11:52 PM

Here is the way I picture it using myself and my wife in place and thinking how it would go for us......

Couple walking most likely hand in hand or arm in arm, at the very least inches away from each other. BG runs up putting the gun to her back. She indicates fright in some way. I re-actively grab her pulling her close, out of the way, pushing her clear, something! During that reaction I see the gun the BG is holding cause it has been displaced in the reactive movement. I pull my weapon and place my shots! I grab the wife and we seek immediate shelter as one of call PD.

I just cant see some one shooting a BG with his wife in the line of sight. God knows I could be wrong but that is the way I picture the incident go down.

God be with anyone who has to face this situation.

Neomet · 10-10-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Knight Of Light

It takes a lot more than that to get me riled up. I just don't anyone else here thinking they need to start some sh!t with a BG because this other guy did it. I have been to some training classes and I have seen how hard it is to get off a decent shot on a hostage target. In fact my hostage target would not be able to wear ear rings anymore if it was for real. BG target was dead to rights though.

We aren't EVEN gonna start talking about how many no-shoots have taken a round from me in Tac matches.

saltysquid · 10-11-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Knight Of Light

Does that make any difference?

Yes, most military people are trained to shoot in a situation like that. The train of thought is that there's a big chance the "hostage" will get shot anyway and with a clear shot to the head the BG is not going to have time to pull the trigger anyway. Reaction time is slower than a bullet.

If someone has a gun up against me in a situation like that I hope like hell shoots him. People can monday morning quarterback all they want, but he woman is alive and if the ccw guy hadn't shot she may not be, period.

10-10-2006, 11:33 PM	#12
Neomet XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Made it to Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,402	I'm agreeing with KOL here with the limited info available. Do me a favor, if someone has a gun stuffed in my back, do not draw on him unless he is stupid enough to let you out of his line of his vision and you can be 100% certain that you are going to put the first round directly in his medula oblongata. I personally would probably be pissed off if I was left paralyzed, ***ting into a bag due a bullet to the spinal cord because my buddy thought he could outdraw a BG who already has a gun stuffed in my back with his finger on the trigger. Ya gotta realize when drawing your weapon is a good idea vs a bad idea. One answer does not fit all situations. Nice end of the story, but I'm not so sure I would have drawn on him when it sounds like he did. Its possible they are just very, very lucky. I wasn't there so I'm not sure. __________________ Who said that? Who the freak said that? Who's the slimy little communist $hit, twinkle-toed rocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy freaking godmother said it. Out-freaking-standing. I will PT you all until you freaking die! Last edited by Neomet; 10-10-2006 at 11:42 PM.*

10-10-2006, 11:38 PM	#13
The Knight Of Light XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska(sublocated at a Sandy location far, far away) Posts: 8,868 Blog Entries: 13	Not to mention she was probably happy and pissed of he drew with her in a high hit factor situation. It would be nice to have more info but we don't so if I make an objective opinion on the situation please forgive me if it is not what you would have done or if the guy was a Navy CeeBee. We just don't know. I am happy they got out of it OK. Now if there was or will be some follow up to this it would be nice. BTW thanks Neo! __________________ No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. USPSA #L3077 What a great number!!! http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/ Creator of TOP 'O' THE PAGE!!! Moose Fight

10-10-2006, 11:43 PM	#14
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,929	Sorry...I hope I didn't offend. I just can't see a street dirtbag like this leaving anyone alive even if you do everything he asks with a smile on your face and a yes sir... __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

10-10-2006, 11:51 PM	#16
Neomet XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Made it to Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,402	None taken at all Robinse. Its just that I've had uglier things happen to me and was able to see the sun rise the next day without me going to what I consider a highrisk option. I only want to draw when I have to and can make the situation better. Very, very tough thing to do in heat of the moment, but ya gotta do your best at keeping your head screwed on tight. __________________ Who said that? Who the freak said that? Who's the slimy little communist $hit, twinkle-toed rocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy freaking godmother said it. Out-freaking-standing. I will PT you all until you freaking die!

10-10-2006, 11:51 PM	#17
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,929	Oh I'm not disputing that at all..its a very bad situation to be in. Someone elsewhere brought up the "have your friend point a squirtgun at you and try and knock it out of his hands" idea. Anyone who wants to try some ninja moves on a BG should try that first __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

10-10-2006, 11:52 PM	#18
locobombero XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Casa Grande, Arizona Posts: 118	Here is the way I picture it using myself and my wife in place and thinking how it would go for us...... Couple walking most likely hand in hand or arm in arm, at the very least inches away from each other. BG runs up putting the gun to her back. She indicates fright in some way. I re-actively grab her pulling her close, out of the way, pushing her clear, something! During that reaction I see the gun the BG is holding cause it has been displaced in the reactive movement. I pull my weapon and place my shots! I grab the wife and we seek immediate shelter as one of call PD. I just cant see some one shooting a BG with his wife in the line of sight. God knows I could be wrong but that is the way I picture the incident go down. God be with anyone who has to face this situation.

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