Mexico doubts border fence will happen

[nightraider]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

What you do sounds like a noble cause and has the best of intentions, if this is indeed, not costing the taxpayer anything, thats great.

- Brickboy240

The fact still remains that he is aiding illegals, encouraging other illegals to come abroad and thus putting economic strain on the US LEGAL taxpayers. No matter how you look at it, if you support illegal immigrants in ANY fashion and make it desirable to come over in ANY way, you are putting financial strain on the US economy and the US taxpayers.

By the way Brick, your previous thread was very good and I forgot to tell you that.

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by nightraider

Lets see, you claim your 100% legal, yet you are afraid to give us the name and location of your "organization." I'm starting to wonder if it even exist. Infact, I think your just blowin **** out your ass and trying to act all righteous "savior of humanity." So full of **** its not even funny!

Tell us the name and the location, you have nothing to worry about, you've done nothing wrong right!

Anyway, I'll leave this rediculous conversation with this federal law:

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

...it's clear you have some serious issues, and the thought of Americans helping undocumented workers makes your blood boil...I don't know who you are...for all I know, you may be like that Rudolph guy who blew up an abortion clinic....you can believe what you want....but I believe you want this clinic to exist, so that you can muster up some more hate and discontent...get the mob to rule...from what I see, you are not someone that can be trusted...the issue of immigration....that's just a cover for you...what really makes you tick? That's what I find scarry....

[Nerves]

As a christian I tend to see things a little different; If I can engage and help those in need, suffering, regardless of thier citizenship...I might do so....just a thought.

I spent the most lucrative part of my proffesional carrer understanding the buiz. side of healthcare. And I understand capitalism. I also know that the Average hospital in this country charges almost $14.00 to deliver a single asprin (cost is less than one cent) to a patient....So please don't think that if a pharmacutical company is donating medical supplies to a charitable organization or any kind. That "they" are not reeping financial benifits from thier actions.

I think this a total differnt discussion regarding the imigration problem. A quick a effective way to curtail this issue is to go to the source of the problem....(that being Financial). Any illigal that comes to this country is breaking the law, that's it, not debate needed.

But the reason the solution is to go after those who proved employement to ANY illegals (any border). It is the greed of thiose small biz (explotation) and the will of those in need which facilitate and creates the problem.

[nightraider]

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

...it's clear you have some serious issues, and the thought of Americans helping undocumented workers makes your blood boil...I don't know who you are...for all I know, you may be like that Rudolph guy who blew up an abortion clinic....you can believe what you want....but I believe you want this clinic to exist, so that you can muster up some more hate and discontent...get the mob to rule...from what I see, you are not someone that can be trusted...the issue of immigration....that's just a cover for you...what really makes you tick? That's what I find scarry....

Far be it for me to be just a little pissed that about 30+% percent of my damn salary is taken by the US government, then redistributed to help pay for illegal immigrants who dont put ANYTHING in the system.

I will welcome legal immigration and the opportunity for the "American Dream". But don't ****ing come on US soil illegally, raise another nations flag, not pay taxes, and then live off the US taxpayers money.

You say I can't be trusted? Well hell, I don't know. You make me sound like some physco who wants to blow up buildings. Then again, I'm not the person breaking federal law punishable by felony, I'm not harboring, supporting, assisting in any voluntary way an illegal alien. What do I find scary? How about someone who commits a felony and doesn't even think twice about it.

By the way, relating me with an abortion clinic bomber is classless and below the belt. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand and by bringing something up like that shows your troll tendencies and lack of maturity or character. Either stick to the issue or shut up.

[Brickboy240]

What Dustoff is doing may be helping those that are here illegally, but to say he is encouraging them is a bit of a stretch.

If he is indeed doing this with private donations or through some non-profit organization that does not forcefully take from the taxpayer, then this is a great example of how the private sector can help better than the govt. HIs work might actually be taking some load off the overloaded hospitals and medical facilities...ever think about that?

Many of us don't want them to leave or stop coming, we just ask they come here legally or become citizens, get immunized, pay taxes, learn our language and become part of our society on a legitimate level. The quicker this is done, the quicker they might become less of a drag on our system.

This sneaking around and working in hazardous conditions for peanuts and being abused by seedy employers in the day-laborer market is no picnic for the illegals, either. Some of these people work hard and should be paid an honest wage for what they do. Sorry homebuilders...you're going to have to pay these people what they're worth and maybe provide benefits. The days of slave labor are coming to an end.

Being the son of an immigrant parent, it would be hypocritical of me to say "stop them entirely from coming into the USA." However, if my mother can immigrate legally, learn English and be a part of the taxpaying workforce, theres no reason these people cannot do the same.

Some hard decisions need to be made real soon on the illegal immigration situation, but it need not be a lose/lose for either party involved, if we put our heads together and leave the emotion out of it. The worst thing we can do is ignore it all or blindly build an expensive (and possibly ineffectual) fence.

- Brickboy240

[Nerves]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

What Dustoff is doing may be helping those that are here illegally, but to say he is encouraging them is a bit of a stretch.

If he is indeed doing this with private donations or through some non-profit organization that does not forcefully take from the taxpayer, then this is a great example of how the private sector can help better than the govt. HIs work might actually be taking some load off the overloaded hospitals and medical facilities...ever think about that?

Many of us don't want them to leave or stop coming, we just ask they come here legally or become citizens, get immunized, pay taxes, learn our language and become part of our society on a legitimate level. The quicker this is done, the quicker they might become less of a drag on our system.

This sneaking around and working in hazardous conditions for peanuts and being abused by seedy employers in the day-laborer market is no picnic for the illegals, either. Some of these people work hard and should be paid an honest wage for what they do. Sorry homebuilders...you're going to have to pay these people what they're worth and maybe provide benefits. The days of slave labor are coming to an end.

Being the son of an immigrant parent, it would be hypocritical of me to say "stop them entirely from coming into the USA." However, if my mother can immigrate legally, learn English and be a part of the taxpaying workforce, theres no reason these people cannot do the same.

Some hard decisions need to be made real soon on the illegal immigration situation, but it need not be a lose/lose for either party involved, if we put our heads together and leave the emotion out of it. The worst thing we can do is ignore it all or blindly build an expensive (and possibly ineffectual) fence.

- Brickboy240

+++1,000,000,000,000!!!!

[nightraider]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

What Dustoff is doing may be helping those that are here illegally, but to say he is encouraging them is a bit of a stretch.

If he is indeed doing this with private donations or through some non-profit organization that does not forcefully take from the taxpayer, then this is a great example of how the private sector can help better than the govt. HIs work might actually be taking some load off the overloaded hospitals and medical facilities...ever think about that?

Many of us don't want them to leave or stop coming, we just ask they come here legally or become citizens, get immunized, pay taxes, learn our language and become part of our society on a legitimate level. The quicker this is done, the quicker they might become less of a drag on our system.

This sneaking around and working in hazardous conditions for peanuts and being abused by seedy employers in the day-laborer market is no picnic for the illegals, either. Some of these people work hard and should be paid an honest wage for what they do. Sorry homebuilders...you're going to have to pay these people what they're worth and maybe provide benefits. The days of slave labor are coming to an end.

Being the son of an immigrant parent, it would be hypocritical of me to say "stop them entirely from coming into the USA." However, if my mother can immigrate legally, learn English and be a part of the taxpaying workforce, theres no reason these people cannot do the same.

Some hard decisions need to be made real soon on the illegal immigration situation, but it need not be a lose/lose for either party involved, if we put our heads together and leave the emotion out of it. The worst thing we can do is ignore it all or blindly build an expensive (and possibly ineffectual) fence.

- Brickboy240

I don't agree at all. Its organizations that give illegal immigrants relief that encourages illegals immigrating in the first place. With no form of punishment and groups that are providing free aid to illegal immigrants, whats there to discourage breaking the law and coming here illegally? Lets see, they run over the border, get caught, the worse that happens to them is that they get sent back. Big deal, they'll just try and try again.

What aid organizations like dusts are doing is making it easy to break the law and not be punished.

All I want is to make these illegal workers, legal, to where they MUST PAY TAXES like the rest of us. They just need to carry their OWN weight. But who the hell is going to want to be a legal citizen and pay taxes like the rest of us, when instead they can live off aid organizations, completely undocumented? If they make the immigration process easier, shut down any clinic or organization that promotes breaking federal law and you will start to see a change.

There is no load being taken off the system at all, otherwise we wouldnt be having a crisis right now thats recieving national attention.

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by nightraider

Far be it for me to be just a little pissed that about 30+% percent of my damn salary is taken by the US government, then redistributed to help pay for illegal immigrants who dont put ANYTHING in the system.

I will welcome legal immigration and the opportunity for the "American Dream". But don't ****ing come on US soil illegally, raise another nations flag, not pay taxes, and then live off the US taxpayers money.

You say I can't be trusted? Well hell, I don't know. You make me sound like some physco who wants to blow up buildings. Then again, I'm not the person breaking federal law punishable by felony, I'm not harboring, supporting, assisting in any voluntary way an illegal alien. What do I find scary? How about someone who commits a felony and doesn't even think twice about it.

By the way, relating me with an abortion clinic bomber is classless and below the belt. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand and by bringing something up like that shows your troll tendencies and lack of maturity or character. Either stick to the issue or shut up.

1. Troll? Think not....regroup and re-evaluate that staement.
2. 30+%...is that all? Hell, I had over 53% of my salary taxed last year, and thank God for tax attorney's (gosh I don't like those guys).
3. Felony? Unless you are an attorney, go back to number 1...re-group and re-evaluate that statement...our attorneys are comfortable with what we do. He is a Mexican American...would that make a difference in your eyes?
4. Taxes? A lot of these migrants get "taxed" in so many ways, it would make the IRS go into a meltdown...believe me fella'...these folk pay.
5. Back to taxes....if your disposable income has been reduced over the last three years or so, it's not from illegal immigration...it's the war....you know, that street fight in the sandbox and opium fields.

Relax....it's gonna' get better....and yes, I find you, and like minded people like you, scarry.

[Pltybx]

Okay I have to chime in here for a sec.

What Dustoff does is actually a great service that is not just for illegals. They'll help anyone and as a doctor he has taken the hypocratic oath which means he HAS to help anyone he can with his skills regardless of race, religion or beliefs. I understand about the burden to the economy that illegals create but don't forget they also spend alot of that money here in our country. So in essence some of it does get pumped back into the economy.

I agree that they should try to immigrate legally but the process is long and arduous and those that have that need for a better life can't afford to wait in Mexico or any other South American country. If we could expedite the process or just start registering the illegal immigrants into the system on a mass scale then they could start paying into the system. How does that sound? A fence is not going to work and there is no way we are going to catch them all. But what if we changed our thinking to a way that would welcome them and make them honest tax paying citizens? Nobody seems to suggest this route and I don't know why. As a Chicano American born in the US whose father immigrated to the states from Juarez I have alot of emotions on the subject but not to the extent where I will gladly take it up the arse for supporting illegal immigrants and also not to the extent of shipping them back and denying a HUMAN BEINGS right to make a better life.

[chupacabrachus]

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