Mexico doubts border fence will happen

[Brickboy240]

Dustoff,

I am goign to go out on a limb and surmise that the "free healthcare" you're giving to these illegal families is not really "free" someone somewhere is paying for it...probably the US taxpayer.

Is it fair and just to ask the US citizen taxpayer to foot the bill for those that break our laws? I think not.

It has nothing to do with racism or xenophobia, you obvioulsly do not live in a border state, otherwise you'd know how out of control this problem really is. I was in Pennsylvania last week and hardly saw a person of latino descent, let alone the hoardes of them standing in the Home Depot and 7-Eleven parking lots waiting for off-the-books work. I am guessing that US states farther away from the border have even less illegals.

What are we going to do, when a third or half of the population of the USA is made up of these peoples? Speaking another language and not legal, taxpaying citizens? Who is going to foot the bill for their entitlements? Healthcare? Education? The US income-tax paying base will continue to erode...that can only mean politicians will increase income taxes more and more to pay for those that are not paying taxes at all. Who's going to protest the tax increases? The population of peoples being taxed will be shrinking, compared with the general population so who will protest? Whats to keep the Pols. from eventually giving us a Swedish-styled tax structure? Do you really want a 50-70% income tax rate? Well...how could we possibly avoid it?

(didn't think about that...did you?)

Why is it so damned difficult for most people to see that its not racism, but the stone cold fact that this situation we have now, is not sustainable in the future, if we just look the other way and keep letting them in? Its basic economics, folks. We cannot continue on and have our same level of living in the USA and continue to look the other way on illegal immigration - theres no logical way life in the USA will remain that desirable.

Living in Texas, I have been around Latino peoples all my life - I have no fear or hatred of them; they do not seem foreign to me. Thats why the xenophobia/racism label is just not going to fly, sorry. This has nothing to do with the color of one's skin, but that seems to be the knee-jerk reaction of most on the left to the subject of tightening up the southern border.

Also, what about the fact that many of these people breaking into our country illegally are not immunized? We're seeing many more cases of TB and other diseases, showing up in TX and CA and it HAS to be linked to the fact that the population of people that have not had imminuizations is growing. If this continues, why is it not out of the realm of possibliities that we could see large epidemics of TB, hepatitis and even possibly the return of whooping cough? What if your kid comes home from gradeschool and has typhus or whooping cough and it could be traced back to a classmate that is a child of illegal parents that did not immunize their child?

I know many that come here are only looking for work, but many that come here are avoiding legal problems in Mexico or skipping out on families they have left behind or are smuggling drugs. Many are also carrer criminals and they wind up bogging down our already overcrowded jails. Again, these concearns go way beyond racism or xenophobia. Unless you think its ok to let in criminals and drug smugglers, just so we don't seem like a bunch of racist rednecks or fear mongering whities.

You see, wanting to stop the flow of illegals goes way beyond a fear of terrorists coming through or keeping out latino peoples. There is a host of bad things that go with the illegla problem that most people are just not thinking about and if we keep things as they are, it might be too late to stop them when these other issues get out of control.

...but go ahead and dismiss the worries of people like me as racist or xenophobic....fiddle whilst Rome burns, if it soothes your aching conscience.

I am sooo sick of pounding this into people's heads, but "border security=racism" seems ot be as ingrained as "tax cuts for the wealthy" does it not?

Well, I am going to continue to kick the darkness until it bleeds daylight around here.

- Brickboy240

[cjive134]

brickboy, if you had read the entire thread dustoff listed his source of contributions to his medical practice.

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by beardman2

Sounds like a great operation. How did it come into existance? In other words why was it set up and who is it meant to serve? What is the makup of your customers is in "spanish speeking" to not. If you don't mind me asking what part of the country?

not all who come to us are "ilegal"...there was a need to provide health care to a minority population who were afraid of the "migra"; coyotes would tell a lot of these people that they will be deported if found to be undocumented, so don't call the police for anything, stay away from the cities, that in some cases, they were told there was a bounty on their heads. These people never so much as dialed 911 when significant injuries occurred at the work place. In comes me, and a host of criminals with Type A personalities, with a desire to fix a problem that wasn't going away...festering wounds, chronic URI's, TB, children with no vaccines, pregnant women with no pre-natal care, etc. It took an act of God for these people to believe we were the real deal, and not some bounty hunting white folk looking to turn them in to INS. Word of mouth spread through the community of migrant workers who we were, that we all spoke Spanish, as well as a few of us who speak Creole (for the Haitian "illegals"), the small rural churches serving migrants, and yes, the police and sherrif's of the county who would give out our flyers.

We happen to serve an overwhelming number of hispanic migrants; but we see some Haitians, and we also see some of the "good 'ol boys" who creep around looking for some free meds when it looks like there aren't any "purty rickens" around...you see, some of these boys hear spanish, and it's all purty rickens to them.

All our time is donated, though we have one paid full time medical records clerk. I got the idea from a clinic I volunteered for in Fort Lauderdale, FL called "Clinica Luz del Mundo" and another called "Clinica de las Americas". Both gave me ideas on how to set it up.

Where am I? Not so fast slick...I wasn't born on the mid-watch...let's just say there are a whole lot of migrants here in the mid-Atlantic.

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by lYxFizzyl

because they do not over populate our city's... They do not have little babies popping them out faster than you can count... And better yet because i still have not seen a french sign hanging from the door of the local post office... Usually when the canadians come here they do it legally and do not try to make us adapt to their langage...

...you have never been to Maine, or Hollywood, Florida in the winter...mucho signo in Frencho.

[beardman2]

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

not all who come to us are "ilegal"...there was a need to provide health care to a minority population who were afraid of the "migra"; coyotes would tell a lot of these people that they will be deported if found to be undocumented, so don't call the police for anything, stay away from the cities, that in some cases, they were told there was a bounty on their heads. These people never so much as dialed 911 when significant injuries occurred at the work place. In comes me, and a host of criminals with Type A personalities, with a desire to fix a problem that wasn't going away...festering wounds, chronic URI's, TB, children with no vaccines, pregnant women with no pre-natal care, etc. It took an act of God for these people to believe we were the real deal, and not some bounty hunting white folk looking to turn them in to INS. Word of mouth spread through the community of migrant workers who we were, that we all spoke Spanish, as well as a few of us who speak Creole (for the Haitian "illegals"), the small rural churches serving migrants, and yes, the police and sherrif's of the county who would give out our flyers.

We happen to serve an overwhelming number of hispanic migrants; but we see some Haitians, and we also see some of the "good 'ol boys" who creep around looking for some free meds when it looks like there aren't any "purty rickens" around...you see, some of these boys hear spanish, and it's all purty rickens to them.

All our time is donated, though we have one paid full time medical records clerk. I got the idea from a clinic I volunteered for in Fort Lauderdale, FL called "Clinica Luz del Mundo" and another called "Clinica de las Americas". Both gave me ideas on how to set it up.

Where am I? Not so fast slick...I wasn't born on the mid-watch...let's just say there are a whole lot of migrants here in the mid-Atlantic.

Wasn't trying to track you down or anything. Was honestly just wondering about your operation.

In my oppinion it is a noble cause. The truth is I am upset with the whole root cause to this. Which lies south of the border in other countries. not our own. Most of these people would probably rather be in their country if it didn't suck. The problem is they are unwilling to do anything about it. Somehow making the trip to America is easier. How, I have no idea. Doesn't sound easy to me. Quicker probably.

Like Brickboy said I'd venture a guess somehow some where someone is paying for these drugs and I'd venture a guess the tax payers figure in some how.

The main problem I have is assuming everyone who is against illegal immigration is a racist etc. Not so. This whole problem could be compared to slavery in some aspects. It's sick and should be stopped.

[nightraider]

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

Where am I? Not so fast slick...I wasn't born on the mid-watch...let's just say there are a whole lot of migrants here in the mid-Atlantic.

How does it feel breaking the law in multiple ways? The INS may never catch you or your friends, but the IRS will catch up and punishments are severe.

[Dustoff '68]

Originally Posted by nightraider

How does it feel breaking the law in multiple ways? The INS may never catch you or your friends, but the IRS will catch up and punishments are severe.

....hate to blow your Christmas wishlist to smithereens, but what we do IS legal, above board, is registered as a non-profit, and we do have an attorney, who happens to be a deputy DA, as well as a specialist in immigration law. What we do has absolutely nothing to do with immigration issues...it has everything to do with doing the right thing...I suppose it would be OK that no one would extend a hand, have newborns die because of lack of prenatal care, have folk spread TB, because no one will treat it, have women die because their complicated birth process was not attended to by a competent midwife, that children should be denied schooling 'cause they don't have shots or a shot record, that men should die because of systemic infections secondary to untreated wounds...you know, the alternative is not a pretty picture, and if you can sleep with that, than you have a problem that even we can't treat.

[nightraider]

Lets see, you claim your 100% legal, yet you are afraid to give us the name and location of your "organization." I'm starting to wonder if it even exist. Infact, I think your just blowin **** out your ass and trying to act all righteous "savior of humanity." So full of **** its not even funny!

Tell us the name and the location, you have nothing to worry about, you've done nothing wrong right!

Anyway, I'll leave this rediculous conversation with this federal law:

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

[Brickboy240]

What you do sounds like a noble cause and has the best of intentions, if this is indeed, not costing the taxpayer anything, thats great.

However, we're not asking these people NOT to come to the USA all or asking current illegal immigrants already here to leave...many of us just want them here legally - paying taxes and contributing in a legal way and to have proper vaccinations and criminal background checks, so we know who they are. We only see that if the status quo continues, unchecked, we US citizens will not be able to afford it and everyone's quality of life is in jeopardy as is that of our children.

Many of us also want employers of illegals (especially the ones that cheat or exploit these people) to be punished to the limit of the law. It is not only illegal to take advantage of these people, but it is immoral.

Many of us also wish these people to assimilate and learn English, not because we wish them to "ditch their culture" or because we "have no respect for their culture" but because we need to be able to communicate and countries like Switzerland and Canada are good examples of how having 2 or more languages is expensive, confusing and cumbersome.

Other countries have similar immigration laws on the books as the USA and they enforce these laws. We are not asking anything different or extreme in the least. Other countries are not deemed xenophobic or racist for these actions. We need not get so bogged down in political correctness in order to enforce our laws, keep our own citizens safe and healthy and not bankrupt the taxpayer citizens.

If the US govt. had been enforcing the existing laws all along...we would not be dealing with all of this mess right now. Why is it so difficult for people to see this?

The pro-illegal immigrant folks have a really dim view of the rest of us, referring to us as rednecks, racists or xenophobes for suggesting any reforms at all. Thats really sad.

- Brickboy240

[Xfan]

Nice thread!

I think this is going to sway a lot of votes during the next two years. This poll shows most americans think this is a serious problem and want it cured.

Even if the fence does not make it this time something else will take its place and it will be tackled.

http://www.npg.org/immpoll.html