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**PackerfanXD** · 09-22-2006, 06:47 PM

By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer

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NEW YORK - Gun dealers in three states agreed to have their sales monitored to settle a lawsuit accusing them of recklessly selling firearms later used to commit crimes in New York City, according to a deal announced Friday.

The shops in Pennsylvania, Virginia and Georgia were among 15 the city sued last spring after they sold pistols to undercover investigators posing as "straw purchasers" — people who buy guns on behalf of someone prohibited from owning them.

The scam, prohibited by federal law, is typically used by people who are under 21 or convicted felons. Each store denied wrongdoing, but five have now settled.

Now, a monitor selected by the city will review sales activities at the three shops for at least three years. Sales clerks may be videotaped or subjected to spot checks by undercover inspectors. Violations could lead to fines, from $1,000 to $20,000.

"By increasing monitoring and accountability among these gun dealers, we're making sure that these guns don't end up on New York City streets or those of other cities across our country," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement.

"These gun dealers have stepped up to do the right thing and I encourage the remaining 10 dealers to do the same," he said.

The stores covered by the deal were Cole's Gun Shop, of South Boston, Va., Big Tom's Pawn Shop, of Savannah, Ga., and Dunkelberger's Sports Outfitters, of Stroudsburg, Pa. The city targeted the shops because they were among those that had most often sold weapons later seized by New York City police.

Big Tom's Pawn Shop owner Eric Richman said he was confident his store had done nothing wrong, but agreeing to monitoring was better than a costly legal battle. He said, "I think it's good for everybody."

The owner of Dunkelberger's declined to comment without first consulting his lawyer. The owner of Cole's Gun Shop and a store attorney did not return phone messages.

And people wonder how guns get into the hands of criminals...

darkvibe · 09-22-2006, 07:59 PM

I wondered how that was going to turn out.

I have an idea too. Lets make more laws to restrict the law abiding shops. That'll solve everything.

XD in SC · 09-22-2006, 08:32 PM

That Savannah one isn't far from me!

standerson · 09-22-2006, 09:02 PM

New York State Politicians need to keep their dick skinners off of the other states.

Are they doing the same thing for cars that were stolen in other states and used to commit crimes in NY - NO.

How about knives? - NO.

Clean up your own cesspool before you start branching out.

stickman483 · 09-24-2006, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by standerson

New York State Politicians need to keep their dick skinners off of the other states.

Are they doing the same thing for cars that were stolen in other states and used to commit crimes in NY - NO.

How about knives? - NO.

Clean up your own cesspool before you start branching out.

+1 million.

I_Route · 09-24-2006, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by standerson

New York State Politicians need to keep their dick skinners off of the other states.

Are they doing the same thing for cars that were stolen in other states and used to commit crimes in NY - NO.

How about knives? - NO.

Clean up your own cesspool before you start branching out.

+ infinity!!

Gold Coast Tactical · 09-24-2006, 09:30 AM

I wonder if they ran this idea of "monitoring" through the BATFE. It is my understanding that the BATFE is the only agency allowed oversight of gun dealers.

My guess is no. As much as we (or me) would love to fight such an arrangement in Court, all it boils down to is a financial decision. Spend all of your money fighting the charges and go out of business or agree to something as off the wall as 3 years of monitoring and try to stay in business.

Very few (if any) gun shops have as much money as the gov't. Pretty heavy handed.

C'est la vie ... live to fight another day

fastboy · 09-24-2006, 09:47 AM

One thing I don't understand is how these NYC G-men can eliminate straw purchases by going after the gun sellers?

If the purchaser presents valid purchase permit and clears through the background check, how does it become the dealer's liability when later on the purchaser decides to make the gun a straw purchase? The gun dealers' job is to verify and make sure the buyer is legal, not to ensure the buyer doesn't intend to straw purchase. If a buyer really intends to straw purchase, then the government should go after the buyer, not the dealers. That's why there is a law prosecuting the straw purchase.

The logics of this thing is just not making sense to me. Perhaps I am missing something on this??

09-22-2006, 07:59 PM	#2
darkvibe XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 831	I wondered how that was going to turn out. I have an idea too. Lets make more laws to restrict the law abiding shops. That'll solve everything. __________________ Springfield XD-40 Subcompact \| Kimber Eclipse Target II \| Ruger Mark II \| Kel-Tec P-3AT \| Browning Hi-Power Practical 9mm Last edited by darkvibe; 09-22-2006 at 09:30 PM.

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09-22-2006, 09:02 PM	#4
standerson XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 659	New York State Politicians need to keep their dick skinners off of the other states. Are they doing the same thing for cars that were stolen in other states and used to commit crimes in NY - NO. How about knives? - NO. Clean up your own cesspool before you start branching out. __________________ USN Retired, Life Member NRA, Eagle Scout

09-24-2006, 09:30 AM	#7
Gold Coast Tactical XDTalk Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 40	I wonder if they ran this idea of "monitoring" through the BATFE. It is my understanding that the BATFE is the only agency allowed oversight of gun dealers. My guess is no. As much as we (or me) would love to fight such an arrangement in Court, all it boils down to is a financial decision. Spend all of your money fighting the charges and go out of business or agree to something as off the wall as 3 years of monitoring and try to stay in business. Very few (if any) gun shops have as much money as the gov't. Pretty heavy handed. C'est la vie ... live to fight another day __________________ ****************************** http://goldcoasttactical.com dave@goldcoasttactical.com ******************************

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09-24-2006, 09:47 AM	#8
fastboy XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MI Posts: 1,395	One thing I don't understand is how these NYC G-men can eliminate straw purchases by going after the gun sellers? If the purchaser presents valid purchase permit and clears through the background check, how does it become the dealer's liability when later on the purchaser decides to make the gun a straw purchase? The gun dealers' job is to verify and make sure the buyer is legal, not to ensure the buyer doesn't intend to straw purchase. If a buyer really intends to straw purchase, then the government should go after the buyer, not the dealers. That's why there is a law prosecuting the straw purchase. The logics of this thing is just not making sense to me. Perhaps I am missing something on this??