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emschris · 09-21-2006, 02:11 AM

Was reading in the October Guns and Ammo that there is a National Right to carry law in the works. HR.4547 ans S.3275. in the House and Senate respectively. This would alllow with a carry permit to carry in other states. The article states that other states would have to recognize anothers states carry permit. Article goes on about the chalenges it faces in crtain states and who knows if it has the momentum to go all the way, but at least someone's thinking.

jeff221 · 09-21-2006, 03:39 AM

I'm completely against any federal law which takes away the rights of a state to choose it's own policies. Gun law or not..

jdavionic · 09-21-2006, 04:53 AM

Funny, I thought the constitution already gave us these rights at a National level.

Well, I doubt this bill will pass. Too many challenges to the bill from the anti-gun lobbyists.

Mark M · 09-21-2006, 04:59 AM

I agree in principle with Jeff, but not on this particular issue.

The Federal Government continues to expand its power with almost no one being able to control it. The result of that is to limit "States" rights which, by default, limits individual rights.

However, in this case, the Federal Government is securing the INDIVIDUAL rights of citizens which is exactly what the Constitution was designed to do.
It's the states that deny citizen's their 2nd Amendment rights that are wrong in their OVER use of "State's Rights" power. This Bill would simply make things right with regard to citizen's individual rights as outlined in the Constitution.

It's actually quite refreshing these days to see ANY governmental entity, let alone the Federal Government, RESTORE citizen's rights that have been so quickly and easily taken away.

Of course, like JD says, it ain't gonna' happen.

Mark

Mike G · 09-21-2006, 05:41 AM

I will say up front that I am not schooled on this particular issue, but I seem to recall that the federal government was going to withhold funding to the State of Indiana a few years back if Indiana did not change a law to mirror a federal law. I can't recall if it was the seat belt law or the law decreasing the limit defining legal intoxication for DUI. Anyway, my point is that the federal government appears to have ways of dictating what the states will do and what they will not do when it comes to application of federal law. I am not saying that a national ccw law will pass, but if it does, the feds will strong arm acceptance of it. I would still think that you would have to follow the rules of the state unless there are none, in which case the federal law would have to outline the rules of national ccw. If they did this, the states would probably adopt the federal law to be consistent. Just my .02. If I am off base here, feel free to say so.

hacker15 · 09-21-2006, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark M

I agree in principle with Jeff, but not on this particular issue.

The Federal Government continues to expand its power with almost no one being able to control it. The result of that is to limit "States" rights which, by default, limits individual rights.

However, in this case, the Federal Government is securing the INDIVIDUAL rights of citizens which is exactly what the Constitution was designed to do.
It's the states that deny citizen's their 2nd Amendment rights that are wrong in their OVER use of "State's Rights" power. This Bill would simply make things right with regard to citizen's individual rights as outlined in the Constitution.

It's actually quite refreshing these days to see ANY governmental entity, let alone the Federal Government, RESTORE citizen's rights that have been so quickly and easily taken away.

Of course, like JD says, it ain't gonna' happen.

Mark

+LOTS!!! on this one! States such as NY refuse to honor any other states license to carry, even if that state has a more rigid set of requirements to get the license in the first place. We need this federal law and we can make it happen. Write your federal reps - just go tot he NRA-ILA website (www.nra-ila.org) and you'll find a link to this topic and a means to contact your congressmen and senators.

jeff221 · 09-21-2006, 07:20 AM

I understand your points, but states keeping the ability to make there own laws which trump federal laws is nessecery in this country... Here's something to consider...

If the federal govenment can MANDATE that CCW is legal across the country regardless of what the state wants what stops them when the "Gun-Grabbers" (as you guys loveingly call them) take control and MANDATE that CCW is ILLEGAL across the country regardless of state laws?

You can't have it both ways. Everytime the laws swing extreme to one direction it only sets up the other party to swing in the oppisite when the tables are turned...

SHOOTIST-1 · 09-21-2006, 07:43 AM

Nix-nix Nix Bad Deal All Around . I Dont Want The Feds Taking Away My Ccw When Ever They Feel Like It...

Timmy44221 · 09-21-2006, 07:48 AM

Why not make the ccw attached to your Drivers licence. You know just add another letter. I think carry should be a national thing, so you dont have to worry when traveling. Then agian, I dont think there shouuld be any requirements to get one. (other than the basic nics).

PelhamGMan · 09-21-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOOTIST-1

Nix-nix Nix Bad Deal All Around . I Dont Want The Feds Taking Away My Ccw When Ever They Feel Like It...

It isn't a federal license. It would simply require the other states to recognize your home states license, similar to the way other states recognize your drivers license and your marriage license.

Hmmmmm, imagine if it was the other way around? Imagine others states didn't recognize your marriage license. That would mean that I could be married in NH but hot liberal chick in Mass.

09-21-2006, 02:11 AM	#1
emschris XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	National Right to Carry Was reading in the October Guns and Ammo that there is a National Right to carry law in the works. HR.4547 ans S.3275. in the House and Senate respectively. This would alllow with a carry permit to carry in other states. The article states that other states would have to recognize anothers states carry permit. Article goes on about the chalenges it faces in crtain states and who knows if it has the momentum to go all the way, but at least someone's thinking. __________________ Stupidity Kills, but not nearly enough.

09-21-2006, 03:39 AM	#2
jeff221 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 2,364	I'm completely against any federal law which takes away the rights of a state to choose it's own policies. Gun law or not.. __________________ Springfield XD40 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone (.40S&W) Springfield XD9 Tactical Black (9mm) Springfield G.I. Milspec Stainless 1911-A1 (.45 ACP) Kimber Raptor II 1911 (.45 ACP) Kel-Tec P-3AT (.380 ACP) Charter Arms "Off Duty" Revolver (.38 Spl) Ruger 22/45 Mark III (.22 LR) Smith&Wesson M&P15A 16in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) BushMaster Carbon-15 (.22 LR) BushMaster XM15 E2S 20in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) Stoeger P350 Tactical Pump Shotgun (12 Gauge) Winchester Black Model98 Canon (10 Gauge)

09-21-2006, 05:41 AM	#5
Mike G XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 237	I will say up front that I am not schooled on this particular issue, but I seem to recall that the federal government was going to withhold funding to the State of Indiana a few years back if Indiana did not change a law to mirror a federal law. I can't recall if it was the seat belt law or the law decreasing the limit defining legal intoxication for DUI. Anyway, my point is that the federal government appears to have ways of dictating what the states will do and what they will not do when it comes to application of federal law. I am not saying that a national ccw law will pass, but if it does, the feds will strong arm acceptance of it. I would still think that you would have to follow the rules of the state unless there are none, in which case the federal law would have to outline the rules of national ccw. If they did this, the states would probably adopt the federal law to be consistent. Just my .02. If I am off base here, feel free to say so. __________________ Mike

09-21-2006, 07:20 AM	#7
jeff221 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 2,364	I understand your points, but states keeping the ability to make there own laws which trump federal laws is nessecery in this country... Here's something to consider... If the federal govenment can MANDATE that CCW is legal across the country regardless of what the state wants what stops them when the "Gun-Grabbers" (as you guys loveingly call them) take control and MANDATE that CCW is ILLEGAL across the country regardless of state laws? You can't have it both ways. Everytime the laws swing extreme to one direction it only sets up the other party to swing in the oppisite when the tables are turned... __________________ Springfield XD40 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone (.40S&W) Springfield XD9 Tactical Black (9mm) Springfield G.I. Milspec Stainless 1911-A1 (.45 ACP) Kimber Raptor II 1911 (.45 ACP) Kel-Tec P-3AT (.380 ACP) Charter Arms "Off Duty" Revolver (.38 Spl) Ruger 22/45 Mark III (.22 LR) Smith&Wesson M&P15A 16in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) BushMaster Carbon-15 (.22 LR) BushMaster XM15 E2S 20in AR-15 (.223/5.56 NATO) Stoeger P350 Tactical Pump Shotgun (12 Gauge) Winchester Black Model98 Canon (10 Gauge)

09-21-2006, 07:43 AM	#8
SHOOTIST-1 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 26	Nat Ccw Law Nix-nix Nix Bad Deal All Around . I Dont Want The Feds Taking Away My Ccw When Ever They Feel Like It...

09-21-2006, 04:53 AM	#3
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	Funny, I thought the constitution already gave us these rights at a National level. Well, I doubt this bill will pass. Too many challenges to the bill from the anti-gun lobbyists.

09-21-2006, 04:59 AM	#4
Mark M XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 81	I agree in principle with Jeff, but not on this particular issue. The Federal Government continues to expand its power with almost no one being able to control it. The result of that is to limit "States" rights which, by default, limits individual rights. However, in this case, the Federal Government is securing the INDIVIDUAL rights of citizens which is exactly what the Constitution was designed to do. It's the states that deny citizen's their 2nd Amendment rights that are wrong in their OVER use of "State's Rights" power. This Bill would simply make things right with regard to citizen's individual rights as outlined in the Constitution. It's actually quite refreshing these days to see ANY governmental entity, let alone the Federal Government, RESTORE citizen's rights that have been so quickly and easily taken away. Of course, like JD says, it ain't gonna' happen. Mark

09-21-2006, 07:48 AM	#9
Timmy44221 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 797	Why not make the ccw attached to your Drivers licence. You know just add another letter. I think carry should be a national thing, so you dont have to worry when traveling. Then agian, I dont think there shouuld be any requirements to get one. (other than the basic nics).

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