National Right to Carry

[DoctorDawg]

Originally Posted by Old School

Bad idea give this control to the FEDS. All it takes is one "bad" President to drive to overturn the law, then no one has the rights. As an example, if Billary became President, she would overturn it.

I agree with your position, OS, but there's no need to look into the hypothetical future for an example. We already have a real good example of a president who drives to overturn the law, leaving no one any rights. Not mentioning any names, ya unnerstan...

[Timmy44221]

I think on your drivers licence, it should show if you have any violent convitions/ felonies. No more backgound cheacks, or licences, if you have aclean record you can do what you want.

[jednp]

maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought this bill would simply make states have to accept ccw permits from other states, but it does not guarantee you the chance to get a CCW permit. States that currently do not allow CCW, will still be able to keep it out. I was under the belief that this is just for the states that have CCW, to have to accept all permits from all states. If that is true, i don't see much taking away of state rights to mandate if they have CCW or not. Only thing I see is the feds making it so we can carry anywhere that CCW is allowed, which helps enforce our rights more. They realise we have the right to CCW in most states, and they realise the importance of people having protection when people travel.

Also, I was under the impression that you are still going to have to obey other states laws regarding CCW and firearms. It's not going to change state laws, and make it one federal law. States will still have power to mandate where CCW is allowed and all laws pertaining to it.

If I'm wrong, somone correct me, but when i read about this not long ago this is the impression I got.

Also, someone correct me if I'm thinking of a different bill in the works. Only one I knew about was making permits valid anywhere CCW is legal.

[sas-xd45]

Originally Posted by mcb

Screw all this! The 2nd amendment say I have the right to bear arms. That's all the law we should need. If I choose to bear those arms concealed that is my choice. What's all this talk about state law vs federal law.

THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCEALED CARRY LAW AT ALL!

Get your federal and state law off my Second Amendment rights please! If I can legally own a firearm (ie not a felon) then I should be allowed to carry it however I like.

Ranting and Rambling
mcb

And they all replied in unison. . ."A M E N"

-s

[jeff221]

Originally Posted by mcb

Screw all this! The 2nd amendment say I have the right to bear arms. That's all the law we should need. If I choose to bear those arms concealed that is my choice......

...If I can legally own a firearm (ie not a felon) then I should be allowed to carry it however I like....

The 2nd amendment doesn't mention felon's, so if you were to be a strict constutionalist, you'd think that a felon should have the right to "bare arms"

[standerson]

Originally Posted by mcb

Screw all this! The 2nd amendment say I have the right to bear arms. That's all the law we should need. If I choose to bear those arms concealed that is my choice. What's all this talk about state law vs federal law.

THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCEALED CARRY LAW AT ALL!

Get your federal and state law off my Second Amendment rights please! If I can legally own a firearm (ie not a felon) then I should be allowed to carry it however I like.

Ranting and Rambling
mcb

Interesting concept. Never thought of it along those lines.

[Wu Wei]

Originally Posted by repeet

Jeff,

you are dead on right. I'm tired of half educated "conservatives" jumping on the "have the Feds make them do it" band wagon. Like "prayer in the schools". Then, we can have each generation legislate who the appropriate list of "gods" are to pray to. (We already can't use the name Jesus).

And don't worry DoctorDawg, there are still some of us Anti-Federalists out there.

I agree with everything except the Jesus comment. At least in WI you can pray to anyone you want. A teacher cannot LEAD a prayer to Jesus or anyone else is all. I'm good with that. I feel very offended when Christians assume everyone in the room wants to pray to Jesus. Nothing like a self-conscious adolesent sitting there silent while everyone else prays to make one feel like a freak..School is hard enough already, and we are a secular nation of freedoms after all. If a private school teacher wants to sing the praises till the rafter lift, that all good, I'm only talking publicly funded school here.

Good thoughts on the federal CCW law! At first I thought "Yay!" (no CCW here in WI), then you guys brought up the big picture..I can see truckers or CCW-holding travelers having an easier time with federal coverage though..Wasn't it here (this forum) that someone had their gun seized in a NJ airport even though it was legally carried/stowed? Kind of reminds me of helmet laws - sometimes I don't wear one, and carrying a helmet in case passing into a helmet state is waay lame. Interesting.

[Wu Wei]

Damn buttons..oops sorry double-post.

[mcb]

Originally Posted by jeff221

The 2nd amendment doesn't mention felon's, so if you were to be a strict constutionalist, you'd think that a felon should have the right to "bare arms"

Not really I believe (although I cannot easily quote constitutional sources to support this opinion) that once you are a convicted felon you have essentially given up your rights. A felon has decided to willfully break the law and thus probably does not deserve the same rights as someone that is willing to live within the law.

mcb

[Timmy44221]

Originally Posted by mcb

. A felon has decided to willfully break the law and thus probably does not deserve the same rights as someone that is willing to live within the law.

mcb

I agree with that. I believe that criminals have broken the "Social contract", in a Hobbs sort of way, and no longer have the rights they once had.