XD Talk

partdeux · 07-09-2012, 04:11 PM

The reported story keeps changing.

Me thinks this was not quite as innocent as it's appearing.

Mercmar · 07-09-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JonXD

I have no idea how a gun holstered IWB can go off and hit someone in the chest....keep in mind the party was hosted at the officers home and he was dancing with his wife it says and the girl came up from behind and tugged at his waist.

"Goldpaugh, who spent several hours with the officer after the shooting, said the veteran beat patrolman was hosting a party at his home and was dancing with his wife when Miller came up behind him and tugged at his waist.
“And the gun went off,” Goldpaugh said. “It’s a fluke accidental shooting.”

Maybe the wife shot the girl, and there was a huge cover-up.

Montourage · 07-09-2012, 04:31 PM

It does seem odd and I like to stack the odds in my favor of never having something like this happen....a bit more difficult for a weapon to accidentally fire with no round in the chamber while carrying. People dismiss it as taking more time to fire when you need to but it only adds a second to fire time.

BritOnTour · 07-09-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Montourage

It does seem odd and I like to stack the odds in my favor of never having something like this happen....a bit more difficult for a weapon to accidentally fire with no round in the chamber while carrying. People dismiss it as taking more time to fire when you need to but it only adds a second to fire time.

Teuller Drill. Google it!

Vandal · 07-09-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Montourage

It does seem odd and I like to stack the odds in my favor of never having something like this happen....a bit more difficult for a weapon to accidentally fire with no round in the chamber while carrying. People dismiss it as taking more time to fire when you need to but it only adds a second to fire time.

And in that one second, the BG is already on you, both going down and his weapon is out while you're still trying to rack one in. You motor coordination is reduced, adreniline has hit and your scared. You're not winning that fight.

I have run the Teuller Drill with airsoft training guns. That one second, when you are already behind in the OODA loop will cost you your life. I can cover 21 feet in under 3 seconds from a dead stop. Keep one in the chamber.

Russ7777 · 07-09-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder71

This was my initial thought, but the article specifically says the weapon was in an iwb holster and his shirt was over it.
This is a strange case. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

fletchman · 07-09-2012, 05:02 PM

I'm not sure we are getting all the info cause it's not adding up at all. I'm gonna wait for the rest to hit the fan, as is kinda hard to wrap up

Montourage · 07-09-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vandal

And in that one second, the BG is already on you, both going down and his weapon is out while you're still trying to rack one in. You motor coordination is reduced, adreniline has hit and your scared. You're not winning that fight.

I have run the Teuller Drill with airsoft training guns. That one second, when you are already behind in the OODA loop will cost you your life. I can cover 21 feet in under 3 seconds from a dead stop. Keep one in the chamber.

Could be but to me it's a matter of statistics and odds. Sure in the best of worst circumstances that one second could make a difference. I'm guessing that in the majority of situations I would have to draw my weapon I'll easily have an extra second before shooting.

I'm not sure what the precise odds are as it would require a lot of research. Just guessing I'd think that one second would only mean the difference of life and death of myself in 5% of cases. I'm willing to give up a second when it only makes a difference 5% of the time. Obviously if everyone did this too we wouldn't be hearing about these "accidents" as often.

In my life time I may only have a 50% chance of having to fire my weapon in self defense. So lets say I carry religiously for 60 years 24/7. That's 1,893,415,560 seconds total. If I carry my way I'm carrying in a safer way for nearly two trillion seconds than having a round in the chamber. Now if I only have a 50% chance of having to use my weapon during that time and only a 5% chance that that one second will make a difference I really only have a 2.5% chance that it will make a difference because there is a decent chance I could go my whole life and not use my weapon.

So it's a trade off for sure. I realize I'm taking my chances...but I don't think it's that big of a chance. I have body armor here too and I take my chances by going out in public without it on. When I was in a war zone you better believe I even had the groin protector on. Even in war zones we don't keep one in the chamber. I went on many convoys and never felt the need, only when I was the gunner. You could always take your protection steps further...but the trade off here is safety. No doubt my carry is safer than one in the chamber.

I could pull my trigger all day long and it wont fire....till I rack it.

stuz92 · 07-09-2012, 05:13 PM

Amy Driver, a gun safety expert, said that it was "entirely possible" that if someone was placing their hands on the officer's waistband that the weapon could become loose from the holster and then discharge if it were pressed back down toward the holster.
"It sounds like she pulled on his waistband, and if that shifted his waistband, the gun could have come up out of the holster a little bit, and his instinct could be to push the gun back in holster. If something got caught on trigger, it could have fired," she said.

the above is from this article:Detroit Woman Dead After Hugging Off-Duty Cop, Discharging Gun - Yahoo! News

Very sad incident

Sounds like the holster didn't have a very good retention system if the above is true, would be nice to hear all the details, but we most likely never will.

XDHusker · 07-09-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stuz92

Amy Driver, a gun safety expert, said that it was "entirely possible" that if someone was placing their hands on the officer's waistband that the weapon could become loose from the holster and then discharge if it were pressed back down toward the holster.
"It sounds like she pulled on his waistband, and if that shifted his waistband, the gun could have come up out of the holster a little bit, and his instinct could be to push the gun back in holster. If something got caught on trigger, it could have fired," she said.

the above is from this article:Detroit Woman Dead After Hugging Off-Duty Cop, Discharging Gun - Yahoo! News

Very sad incident

Sounds like the holster didn't have a very good retention system if the above is true, would be nice to hear all the details, but we most likely never will.

I'm sure there's a multitude of ways the trigger could have been accidentally pulled. It's the shooting in the lungs/heart part that's got me confused.

what possible way could a firearm residing in my waist be manipulated to shoot somebody in the heart accidentally. It would have to come completely out of the holster and point up and away from my body.