Update on the Marine killed by SWAT?

[UofHdevildog]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

Wasn't the wrong house, just a BS search warrant to begin with.

How do you know? Were you present when they presented the information to the judge?

[yocan]

Originally Posted by UofHdevildog

If what they did was a felony then the same could be said for you if you ever use a gun in defense. Your statements just don't add up.

umm the rules for offense are seriously different then defense.

I'm saying the guy that filled out the paperwork is guilty of falsely filling out a warrant that action led to a death albeit legal shoot, so he's guilty of causing the death if falsely filling out a warrant is a felony (which it should be) its should be considered murder just like 2 kids robbing a home at night homeowner shoots 1 other one is charged with murder.

your right technically the cops should be charged with manslaughter, but as soon as you lie and cover it up everything you say is suspect, kinda like a self defense shooting as soon as you lie, your basically saying guilty. I don't see why its different they could be convicted of murder for lying and coverig it up as well as not rendering aid when capable. They had the training and gear and didn't go to his aid. Seriously though Marines would go to jail for this, (not for murder but everything else they did wrong) why don't they, all should get 5-10 years. lying on the report, failure to render aid leading to a death.

[UofHdevildog]

Was the warrant not approved by a judge? I read was that no drugs were observed in his presence, but hey could've had other probable cause. On another note there's also conflicting reports about drugs being around him or his associates. Even if it's true the officers aren't liable. How is what they did offense and not defense? Someone points a gun at you and you shoot it's defense. He pointed a gun at them so the same is true. That part doesn't make any sense because the situation is the same. Cops can't read people's minds to see if someone pointing a gun will shoot or not.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by UofHdevildog

How do you know? Were you present when they presented the information to the judge?

I read a BUNCH of articles on this when it happened, have you? The cops were targeting the whole family basically on drug charges. It was all based on flimsy evidence like he had a bunch of assets in his name, but little income to support it. There were other simultaneous warrants being served on various family homes.

My response was on whether this was a WRONG ADDRESS like on several other SWAT raids, not whether the warrant itself was BS. The address on the warrant was correct in that regard, so it wasn't a simple wrong house by the SWAT team.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by UofHdevildog

So you'd prefer unlawful detention to being prepared for different circumstances while doing a legal warrant? I wonder if you're ever detained for merely carrying a gun you'll see it that way still.

What unlawful detention? If they searched with him at work, there would most likely be minimal problems with just the wife/kid there. Esp if they were so scared of entering a war vet's house. The other scenarios were just if they actually wanted to take him down, not just search the house.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by UofHdevildog

Doesn't matter if a cop stumbled. He still pointed a weapon at them.

Says the witnesses with their a$$es on the line. No idea if it's true or not. War vet points a weapon with the safety on? Doubtful. More like planted and the SWAT idiot forgot the safety in their rush to cover up.

[DanTheEldest]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

So breaching and shooting into an occupied dwelling blindly makes more sense than just doing a surprise apprehension as he gets out of his car or even a simple traffic stop?? They had been researching this guy for a year and knew his entire routine. After working his mining job, I'm sure he would be exhausted and would have been an easy takedown right outside his car. Why let him into his dwelling where there are MOST LIKELY weapons before barging in?

I think the warrant was for a house search, not him, so why not do it when he's at work? Simple logistics fail. Find something, go arrest him at work. Too easy I guess for these bloodthirsty unprofessional idiots.

Exactly. This whole situation transpired because the cops wanted to go all tacticool and start kicking in doors instead of engaging in more traditional police tactics. They could have let themselves into the house to do their search with the guy's own key, for cripe's sake. In an environment where crooks fake being cops to carry out home invasions, I'll tell you right now, if somebody goes to kick in my front door I'm taking at least one or two of them with me, and hopefully they won't be cops acting on bad intel or showing up at the wrong address.

[lharrell79]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

Says the witnesses with their a$$es on the line. No idea if it's true or not. War vet points a weapon with the safety on? Doubtful. More like planted and the SWAT idiot forgot the safety in their rush to cover up.

So you're saying that he never even had a rifle? That they blasted him and then planted the rifle on him? Holy hell, I didn't realize it was this bad. They're like the team from "Training Day". Rogue cops gone bad.

[Groo]

break into a house without properly identifying yourself as police officers, you better expect to get a gun pointed at you!

Given that the cops failed to do that AND shot first, they should be facing criminal charges. At least second degree murder in my mind, but lying about it after the fact should make it first! I believe that would be the case for a non-badge wearer.

[knight4477]

Originally Posted by lharrell79

So you're saying that he never even had a rifle? That they blasted him and then planted the rifle on him? Holy hell, I didn't realize it was this bad. They're like the team from "Training Day". Rogue cops gone bad.

That is not the truth...all those conspiracy nutcases are saying that...there are much more to the story than what you are reading in the media, which like to twist the story in order to sell a dramatic story.