Massacre at coffee shopThis is a discussion on Massacre at coffee shop within the XDTalk Chatter Box forums, part of the XD Talk category; Originally Posted by katokahn99
Well, seeing as how one of the deceadents was a fruitcake 49 year old man who would officiate a wedding wearing ...
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06-01-2012, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by katokahn99
Well, seeing as how one of the deceadents was a fruitcake 49 year old man who would officiate a wedding wearing leather pants, a priest's collar and a sparkly red vest with nothing underneath and since it was described as an artsy cafe...I would say it is a few more degrees of separation from the pro-gun croud than even a "Nirvanaesque" hangout.
Still, tragic that such a thing happened to such a peace-loving bunch of folks.
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Yeah you're right katokahn99. Sounds more like a "Blue Oyster Bar" style place that served coffee. Even though, the story is still bad.
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06-01-2012, 08:57 AM
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This is a huge blow for us gun rights activists. Damn. I'm really upset about this.
A legally licensed CCW holder goes crazy and shoots people... then is revealed to have been suffering mental problems even before he got the license. This is exactly the stuff that anti-gun and anti-concealed carry sheep can use as leverage in policy making.
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06-01-2012, 09:00 AM
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This is a huge blow for us gun rights activists. Damn. I'm really upset about this.
A legally licensed CCW holder goes crazy and shoots people... then is revealed to have been suffering mental problems even before he got the license. This is exactly the stuff that anti-gun and anti-concealed carry sheep can use as leverage in policy making.
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Yup, we'll see what happens in the coming weeks. But....................this could be the nuclear bomb of support the anti's have been looking for.
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06-01-2012, 09:02 AM
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There never seems to be an armed citizen there when you need them!
Can we make it illegal not to carry a gun if you are permitted to own one?
Sort of like seatbelt laws, you hope you never need it but every one should be made to use them.
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06-01-2012, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by westernhaikus1
this is a huge blow for us gun rights activists. Damn. I'm really upset about this.
A legally licensed ccw holder goes crazy and shoots people... Then is revealed to have been suffering mental problems even before he got the license. This is exactly the stuff that anti-gun and anti-concealed carry sheep can use as leverage in policy making.
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No it most certainly is not.
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06-01-2012, 01:05 PM
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No it most certainly is not.
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Please explain...
This is exactly the kind of thing that they will bring up, saying look, look, if he didn't have access to guns so easily this would never have happened. They will ignore the reports that show carriers in a positive light.
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06-01-2012, 01:20 PM
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No it most certainly is not.
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How is this NOT exactly what the left has been looking for?
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06-01-2012, 04:39 PM
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Every time someone gets shot, there is a cacophony of people who post that somehow all gun owners are to blame.
I just don't buy it, nor do I equate myself with murderers.
Apparently your mileage varied.
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06-01-2012, 04:51 PM
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How about in Seattle specifically? Or, do localities all abide by one law?
Just a shame nobody in there was carrying. Or, was it some hippie like "Nirvanaesque" hangout so pro gun people wouldn't go there anyways?
Terrible either way. He also carjacked and killed a woman AFTER doing this.
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Washington State has a preemption clause. If the state says you can do it, the city and county are not allowed to say otherwise.
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06-01-2012, 05:11 PM
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Washington State is a "Shall Issue" state, meaning that the licensing authority, in this case the Kittitas County Sheriff's Office, MUST issue a permit within 30 days if they are unable to find a reason not to do so. Mental illness is on the list of reasons to not issue. However, if he had never been in trouble over it, there would be no reason to NOT issue. Even if he HAD sought treatment, that would not appear as a reason to not issue because of Doctor Patient confidentiality.
Further, the CPL in this state is NOT required for ownership. Anyone over the age of 21 (I think. Need to review that) can walk into their LGS and purchase a pistol and ammunition. If they do not have a CPL, they will be required to wait the prescribed 15 day "cooling off" period. Having the CPL gets you around the waiting period on the theory that you've already been through a fairly thorough background check and likely already own a gun or guns and if you were going to do something stupid, you likely already would have.
So...the Kittitas County Sheriff's office is presented an application for a CPL by a person with no history of violent crime or domestics. They proceed to issue a CPL in accordance w/ State law. Said CPL holder then sets about purchasing firearms. Sounds good so far, right?
Where this thing goes off the rails is the moment when he went into a coffee shop that he KNEW he shouldn't have been entering. The REAL train wreck occurs when he pulls that pistol and starts shooting.
Sounds to me like "the system" worked correctly. But "the system" cannot be responsible for the actions of the individual.
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