XD Talk

Adyta · 05-17-2012, 03:00 AM

Well, my other thread was closed for some reason. Things seemed to be pretty tame over there, but whatever. I'll take the mods comment of "A worthwhile discussion to have, but not this way." to mean a redo is in order.

Feel free to include welfare, unemployment, etc. in the discussion. I'm focusing mainly on disability because I feel that is what is most widely abused.

I stand by what I said in the disability thread. I'll address a few of the questions there.

If you're paralyzed and have the ability to move your arms, you can work in an office. If you have a bad back, it makes sense that you wouldn't be able to do the construction laborer job... so drive a taxi. For almost every so called "disability", there is a job.

The kinds of people that I feel deserve lifelong disability are people who are completely paralyzed, mentally retarded, people who have frequent seizures, cancer patients and other severaly ill people, etc.

Please note I am not saying we should take grandma with alzheimers out back and put a bullet in her. I am saying all of the people on disability for a bad knee or a sore back should be cut off, and either left to go to work or starve - the choices everyone else has.

I believe that if you are able to sit at your computer desk, form a coherent thought, and then put that thought into words on a screen, you are more than able to work. The argument "nobody will hire me" doesn't hold up when you think of all the programs in place to get people on disability back to work.

I work full time 14-16 hours a day. I have a bad hip and a back injury that flares up every now and then. I still go to work, so why can't you? If you are on disability feel free to explain why you are on it, and why you CANNOT work. You don;t have to, so don;t take it as a demand for answers.

NOTE: If you wish to contribute PLEASE keep the troops out of this. I am not referring to them or their benefits, so don't demonize me as some flag-burning Taliban sympathizer like in the last thread. Also, I work an insane amount of hours, so next time I reply to this thread will be tomorrow at 4am (my absence seemed to be an issue in the other thread as well).

XavierBK · 05-17-2012, 04:38 AM

Sometimes it's as simple as people wanting to work but not being able to find a job due to their disability because the employers don't want to cover the insurance costs. /thread

deltawhisky · 05-17-2012, 07:03 AM

The world is much clearer at the fringes of black and white, the gray area is messy.

Ocean82 · 05-17-2012, 07:22 AM

Many people on disability have worked for a long time paying taxes. Those taxes paid for the disability he or she is now receiving. Pay into the system. Get something out of the system. That's how I rationalized it for my friend getting 4 months of unemployment. He paid into that via taxes and now he's using his bought and paid for benefit. I guess I'm cheating the system too getting money from the VA for school. I think having government/tax payer sponsored safety nets is fine. It's one of the things tha separates us from the third world. However, we need to seriously consider who we are helping and drastically reduce and reform our social programs to prevent living off the system and promoting not working.

OP, be sure to turn down your SS, Medicare, medicaid, and any other tax based benefits you might receive. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

taylor6400 · 05-17-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocean82

Many people on disability have worked for a long time paying taxes. Those taxes paid for the disability he or she is now receiving. Pay into the system. Get something out of the system. That's how I rationalized it for my friend getting 4 months of unemployment. He paid into that via taxes and now he's using his bought and paid for benefit. I guess I'm cheating the system too getting money from the VA for school. I think having government/tax payer sponsored safety nets is fine. It's one of the things tha separates us from the third world. However, we need to seriously consider who we are helping and drastically reduce and reform our social programs to prevent living off the system and promoting not working.

OP, be sure to turn down your SS, Medicare, medicaid, and any other tax based benefits you might receive. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

Ocean, I agree with you that if your paying in you should be able to get some return IF you need it.

But, you brought the VA into it which OP said to leave out. I also dont think OP was questioning SS, and government healthcare programs when needed.

I believe he is simply referring to people living off the programs who are not deserving. I have a (former) friend who got into an accident. Not his fault. Sued the guy, and now goes to a chiro and doctor as often as he needs to and keeps getting excused from work for a bad back. He works for a union company and claims (proudly) they cant fire him if he has doctors excuses. Who knows what will happen in the long run. Disability? Maybe. He simply hates to work and wont as long as he cant. This is abuse of the system. This same guy will go duck hunting every day of the season and walkign around a swamp dragging a gun and decoys. Sounds like his back hurts doesnt it? I think this is the crap OP is talking about. I dont have a problem with assistance when its NEEDED.

Ocean82 · 05-17-2012, 08:03 AM

You must not have read his other post. Nor did you see where he said to feel free to include other social programs.

N.E. Tx.XD · 05-17-2012, 08:12 AM

I am much more worried about OTHER rampant cheating going on in the system, than the question of someone's disability.

dbruynell · 05-17-2012, 08:33 AM

Just for future posters, dont post too much or the OP will claim you to be disabled according to one of his recent quotes in the locked thread.

"First, I work 16 hours a day. Sorry I can't sit at my computer all day chatting. I'm not "disabled" lol"

Thats entertaining because I'm paid to sit at a computer all day at my job, I happen to not collect disability. Something is wrong here.

Sargent · 05-17-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocean82

Many people on disability have worked for a long time paying taxes. Those taxes paid for the disability he or she is now receiving. Pay into the system. Get something out of the system. That's how I rationalized it for my friend getting 4 months of unemployment. He paid into that via taxes and now he's using his bought and paid for benefit. I guess I'm cheating the system too getting money from the VA for school. I think having government/tax payer sponsored safety nets is fine. It's one of the things tha separates us from the third world. However, we need to seriously consider who we are helping and drastically reduce and reform our social programs to prevent living off the system and promoting not working.

OP, be sure to turn down your SS, Medicare, medicaid, and any other tax based benefits you might receive. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

SS that is a joke in itself wont be a need to turn it down as it is already gone. Medicare is not an option if you work I pay out of pocket for my childs doctors appointments while the many people have the government pay their doctor bills and head over to the grocery store to buy doritos and mountain dew with an EBT card and then head out to a new or near new vehicle as i drive away in my 10+ year old car with 200k+ miles on it. That is why people are upset about situations like this.

taylor6400 · 05-17-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocean82

You must not have read his other post. Nor did you see where he said to feel free to include other social programs.

No, i didnt read the other post. I did read the part about including other programs. But as i said i didnt read the post as he was questioning things WHEN NEEDED.

Either way...im not one to get into arguments over this kind of crap in a forum. Id much rather argue over 9mm vs .40S&W on a gun forum lol.

Bottom line is, when you have any kind of programs...government assistance, local non-profit charities, anything that is giving something for nothing you will have people trying to abuse the system. Do i think the govt does the best job at keeping the systems honest? No...but i dont think much of the govt to begin with nor do i trust the govt myself so its not a surprise.

I will just be thankful that i am healthy and able to work for now...and not worry about the scum of the earth. Ive got better things to worry about.