People cheating the system

[fireman4]

1st- there is no "personal responsibility " anymore

2nd- there is no "work ethic" anymore

I'm 34 , worked every day since I was 14. Cannot imagine not working. But most of the young people now feel like they should come out of college to immediate six figure jobs and if they don't get one the won't take anything else. I know multiple 20 something's and a few 40 somethings in my neighborhood who have been unemployed and on benefits for close to if not over 2 years. Its laziness pure and simple. If i lost my job, I'd have another in less than two weeks. Cause it doesn't matter if i want the job. I need it to feed and house my family. People are LAZY

I work with two people whose relatives get low income housing. They rent them out for twice what they pay. I call and report it and was told its not my business. WTF. Here again, laziness on the part of government employees not wanting to check out my claim. Its sad

Medic was spot-on with his 6 ideas. But #2 and #6 would need to be surprise inspection/evaluation. As it is now, people know for 7-10 day that an inspection is coming and are ready for it. Half of these fake/illegitimate claims would be gone in 6 months if that was how it was done

Until we get representatives who are willing to initiate such plans, we're stuck paying for the bums. IMHO. It's never gonna change. We're too late. Now we're just stuck paying for it. Glad I have the opportunity to work as much overtime as I need to keep what I need for myself

[SonOfOdin]

Tossing in my .02 cents.

When I got out (of the Army) I went for a little over 6 months without employment. I got a job at a Honda factory as a parts inspector. The tsunami disaster in Japan resulted in me loosing that contract. I got another spot at an industrial tubing facility. The temp agency had a change of bosses and the new lady, for some reason, decided I was a bad person. Had me set-up for false performance allegations, fired me and basically stole my last check for $108. I never went on unemployment.

So, I decided to go back to school. The G.I. bill pays tuition and housing every month on the side. So, I am about to graduate with my Associates and start on my B.A. The housing stipend helps us get by every month and puts a little jingle in my pockets to enjoy a few things in life.

I come up for disability review at the end of the month. I had never planned on filing for it, but I have always been in contact with one of the NCO's I served with, sometimes daily. He basically told me that many of the issues we talked about that he understood and they branch out from PTSD. Many of my vet buddies, who understand how hard it is to transition back from being a soldier, urged me to file my claim with the VA so that it will help me out a little bit each month. I live in a very old house that is falling apart. The rent is cheap and winters are very cold. But, I deal with it because I want to finish school and give myself an opportunity to contribute to society some day in the future.

Lemme share some aspects of my friends life. He was a 20 year man, and tried like hell to hold down a job after he got out. He filed for disability and ended up with over 100 percent, stemming from many, many years of combat experience. PTSD is not just about being blown up, or killing people, or dealing with an intense fear of dying as a result of being mortared or rocketed for days on end. It also has to do with being programmed to be a soldier. To be held to a better standard than anyone in any job sector on the civilian side. All of a sudden, none of those aspects apply anymore and your working along side people who would never pass for military service, or any service for that matter.

One of the issues we talked about that affects me every day is sleeping. I sometimes stay up for at least 2 days without sleeping. This results from being trained to be awake and alert, seeing every task I have as a mission to accomplish. Got homework? Mission time. Laundry? Mission time. Feed the cats? Time to get on it. Eventually you burn out, get tired, and sleep. Sometimes for 12-14 hours at a time to recoup. Just an example of many of the issues that make it hard to hold down a job.

There are plenty of military or former military personnel that cheat the system. Trump up stories or exaggerate things. Thus, many of us veterans are scowled at or not believed when we try to claim PTSD.

[Clint_Beastwood]

Originally Posted by SonOfOdin

Tossing in my .02 cents.

When I got out (of the Army) I went for a little over 6 months without employment. I got a job at a Honda factory as a parts inspector. The tsunami disaster in Japan resulted in me loosing that contract. I got another spot at an industrial tubing facility. The temp agency had a change of bosses and the new lady, for some reason, decided I was a bad person. Had me set-up for false performance allegations, fired me and basically stole my last check for $108. I never went on unemployment.

So, I decided to go back to school. The G.I. bill pays tuition and housing every month on the side. So, I am about to graduate with my Associates and start on my B.A. The housing stipend helps us get by every month and puts a little jingle in my pockets to enjoy a few things in life.

I come up for disability review at the end of the month. I had never planned on filing for it, but I have always been in contact with one of the NCO's I served with, sometimes daily. He basically told me that many of the issues we talked about that he understood and they branch out from PTSD. Many of my vet buddies, who understand how hard it is to transition back from being a soldier, urged me to file my claim with the VA so that it will help me out a little bit each month. I live in a very old house that is falling apart. The rent is cheap and winters are very cold. But, I deal with it because I want to finish school and give myself an opportunity to contribute to society some day in the future.

Lemme share some aspects of my friends life. He was a 20 year man, and tried like hell to hold down a job after he got out. He filed for disability and ended up with over 100 percent, stemming from many, many years of combat experience. PTSD is not just about being blown up, or killing people, or dealing with an intense fear of dying as a result of being mortared or rocketed for days on end. It also has to do with being programmed to be a soldier. To be held to a better standard than anyone in any job sector on the civilian side. All of a sudden, none of those aspects apply anymore and your working along side people who would never pass for military service, or any service for that matter.

One of the issues we talked about that affects me every day is sleeping. I sometimes stay up for at least 2 days without sleeping. This results from being trained to be awake and alert, seeing every task I have as a mission to accomplish. Got homework? Mission time. Laundry? Mission time. Feed the cats? Time to get on it. Eventually you burn out, get tired, and sleep. Sometimes for 12-14 hours at a time to recoup. Just an example of many of the issues that make it hard to hold down a job.

There are plenty of military or former military personnel that cheat the system. Trump up stories or exaggerate things. Thus, many of us veterans are scowled at or not believed when we try to claim PTSD.

PTSD is a serious issue, my grandfather still has a difficult time dealing with it. You deserve any aid or help the government can give you, you've earned it. Thank you for your service.

[fireman4]

Wasn't aiming any criticism at vets. Just wanna make that clear. Although I'm sure there are some pulling off scams also, you served your country and I respect that and thank you. I'm referring to the civilian bums who don't want/need to work because they can lie/cheat the system for all they need .

[SonOfOdin]

Originally Posted by fireman4

Wasn't aiming any criticism at vets. Just wanna make that clear. Although I'm sure there are some pulling off scams also, you served your country and I respect that and thank you. I'm referring to the civilian bums who don't want/need to work because they can lie/cheat the system for all they need .

Yep. Was not citing any criticism.

[SonOfOdin]

Originally Posted by Clint_Beastwood

PTSD is a serious issue, my grandfather still has a difficult time dealing with it. You deserve any aid or help the government can give you, you've earned it. Thank you for your service.

Thanks. But I am questioning a lot of things. What exactly have I earned? Why is what I did any more valuable than people who are honestly unable to get by in society?

[1st Cav]

PTSD, is a real killer, makes it hard to get along with people, yourself, deprives you of sleep, and causes me to flash on certain occasions ( combat nightmares) SonofOdin,explained it real good. I was a Recon LRRP, taught and trained to kill them all and let god sort them out. I'm 60 plus yrs. now and fought for the USA, I was told when I was 19 yrs. old, do this and their will be no questions asked. I'm kind of getting rubbed the wrong way by people who play video war game on their phones etc. Then say their's nothing wrong with me or other vets. Because I played war games and look I'm fine. Great, But until you've been to the real hell, Fire fights, motor, machine gun,laying in a OP knowing your going to be over run, men dying around, you you don't know crap. If they served and did the time then shut the hell up or even better go enlist and then you can apply for benefits. I don't care what you arm chair experts say they don't just award you benefits because you want them. Ever get a chance make a trip to the wall in DC and look at the men who made the sacrifice. I made the trip and said goodbye to men I served with and fought with on that wall. It took me 30 yrs. before I did something, about PTSD. I earned my check, scams happen every minute, steal your identity, bank accounts, swidles, it's called life, and the world we live in.

[Clint_Beastwood]

Originally Posted by SonOfOdin

Thanks. But I am questioning a lot of things. What exactly have I earned? Why is what I did any more valuable than people who are honestly unable to get by in society?

You've done what less than 1% of all Americans are currently doing (obviously there are many more veterans and prior service, but I'm speaking in terms of current active and reserve service members); that less than 1% serves and defends the other 305 plus million people, while almost all of them do not know who you are, and there exist an unfortunate many who don't care about those who serve.

What you did was valuable to the country, and its not that what you did is more valuable than what people who get by honestly do to get by in society, the point is, you can always do more and are encouraged to do just that, but what you have already done, having served and put your life on the line for the country, merits being able to be taken care of by those you served. You are a citizen, you pay taxes, and you've done more than that. For as great as our country is, people who live honestly, contribute to society, and do not abuse or exploit the system should be to receive reciprocity. We're not a third world country, we should be able to take care of our own.

this is just my opinion, however.

[SonOfOdin]

Originally Posted by 1st Cav

PTSD, is a real killer, makes it hard to get along with people, yourself, deprives you of sleep, and causes me to flash on certain occasions ( combat nightmares) SonofOdin,explained it real good. I was a Recon LRRP, taught and trained to kill them all and let god sort them out. I'm 60 plus yrs. now and fought for the USA, I was told when I was 19 yrs. old, do this and their will be no questions asked. I'm kind of getting rubbed the wrong way by people who play video war game on their phones etc. Then say their's nothing wrong with me or other vets. Because I played war games and look I'm fine. Great, But until you've been to the real hell, Fire fights, motor, machine gun,laying in a OP knowing your going to be over run, men dying around, you you don't know crap. If they served and did the time then shut the hell up or even better go enlist and then you can apply for benefits. I don't care what you arm chair experts say they don't just award you benefits because you want them. Ever get a chance make a trip to the wall in DC and look at the men who made the sacrifice. I made the trip and said goodbye to men I served with and fought with on that wall. It took me 30 yrs. before I did something, about PTSD. I earned my check, scams happen every minute, steal your identity, bank accounts, swidles, it's called life, and the world we live in.

Yeah, that gets me as well. People who play war games and act like its no big deal. People like that have no idea what it is really like. I bolded the parts that I agree with. I have an extremely hard time getting along with people.