People cheating the system

[dhgunit]

Exactly Brickboy, those rankings are complete BS.

Yeah because when you want a heart transplant or cancer treatment, most people will go to Costa Rica, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Iceland, Colombia, Chile, and Dominica before they go to the US.

All countries with higher rankings.

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Government solves problems we cannot solve on our own?

As I rub my eyes again and look....yep....he actually wrote that.

Unbelievable.

Are you watching what is going on in Greece and most of Europe?

THAT is what happens when we have too much government.

Yep...LOL...government is going to solve a problem the Europeans cannot solve on their own. How to take down yet another once glorious and prosperous civilization.

....psst....we're next.

- brickboy240

PS: Anybody else want government to stop "solving" their problems?

That's one of the functions of government since... always. You can't test your own food and medicine, you can't regulate your own product safety, and you can't provide for your own defense against terrorists. Government does things that people can't do individually.

The Greek collapse is due to too much debt, a large trade imbalance, and the inability to set its own monetary policy. It is not due to having a huge welfare state. Germany, which is doing just fine, has a *larger* expenditure on welfare programs than Greece.

European Crisis Realities - NYTimes.com

[Brickboy240]

Ugh...

For the first 100 years (or slightly more) America had no Social Security. No EPA, no DHS, no welfare, no OSHA. People were literally on their own.

Still, in the midst of that....hell...they built a whole friggin nation!

They built roads, bridges, skyscrapers, ports, oil wells, factories and built the largest and most productive nation the world had ever seen. Not only did all of this activity happen but people LEFT countries with very established governments and relative safety to live HERE with no protection and tons of risk. People came in droves and STILL try to get here illegally. Do you see people cramming into the trunks of cars to break in to Sweden or Cuba? Of course not! LOL

I am not advocating getting rid of OSHA or anything but the fact that America basically got built with a much smaller and less active government totally destroys your belief that govt. is our provider.

If we NEED all this government....how the hell did America EVER get built?

- brickboy240

PS: You need a little more John Stossell and a little less Jon Stewart.

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by Brickboy240

Ugh...

For the first 100 years (or slightly more) America had no Social Security. No EPA, no DHS, no welfare, no OSHA. People were literally on their own.

Still, in the midst of that....hell...they built a whole friggin nation!

They built roads, bridges, skyscrapers, ports, oil wells, factories and built the largest and most productive nation the world had ever seen. Not only did all of this activity happen but people LEFT countries with very established governments and relative safety to live HERE with no protection and tons of risk. People came in droves and STILL try to get here illegally. Do you see people cramming into the trunks of cars to break in to Sweden or Cuba? Of course not! LOL

I am not advocating getting rid of OSHA or anything but the fact that America basically got built with a much smaller and less active government totally destroys your belief that govt. is our provider.

If we NEED all this government....how the hell did America EVER get built?

- brickboy240

PS: You need a little more John Stossell and a little less Jon Stewart.

If people are still dying to get in, then the fact that people immigrated when we didn't have much government regulation is not an argument in favor of less regulation. If anything, it shows that regulation doesn't make us less attractive as a place to live.

I'm not saying that the government is our provider - you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying it's necessary to protect us from things we are not able to individually protect ourselves from. Which, by the way, is the rationale behind OSHA - a program you're happy to keep. So what's your rationale for keeping OSHA, and how is that different from what I'm saying?

[dhgunit]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

That's one of the functions of government since... always. You can't test your own food and medicine, you can't regulate your own product safety, and you can't provide for your own defense against terrorists. Government does things that people can't do individually.

Oh good lord, someone kill me now.

I could sit here all day and try to explain the free market, and how it is beneficial for companies to put products, foods, and medicines on the market that don't kill or hurt their customers and how a reputation for KILLING YOUR CUSTOMER will end your business without any government involvement whatsoever.

In fact, I could make an argument that our food and medicine is much LESS safe with the FDA existing.

However, these would all be in vein when the individual has already decided that they couldn't eat or have any medicine without government approval first.

[LocoGringo]

dhgunit, I'm with you and Brickboy, but there is just no convincing some people that they can live, eat, sleep, defecate or succeed without government interference.

[yocan]

Originally Posted by dhgunit

Oh good lord, someone kill me now.

I could sit here all day and try to explain the free market, and how it is beneficial for companies to put products, foods, and medicines on the market that don't kill or hurt their customers and how a reputation for KILLING YOUR CUSTOMER will end your business without any government involvement whatsoever.

In fact, I could make an argument that our food and medicine is much LESS safe with the FDA existing.

However, these would all be in vein when the individual has already decided that they couldn't eat or have any medicine without government approval first.

do you honestly believe this quote? All the products for children coming into the USA covered in lead based paint haven't hurt Chinas exports at all. The motherboards with keylogging software imbedded into them haven't hurt their computer sales.

Free market really is what he said in fight club, "if cost of recall is more than we loose to lawsuits, we don't do one"

[dhgunit]

Originally Posted by yocan

do you honestly believe this quote? All the products for children coming into the USA covered in lead based paint haven't hurt Chinas exports at all. The motherboards with keylogging software imbedded into them haven't hurt their computer sales.

Free market really is what he said in fight club, "if cost of recall is more than we loose to lawsuits, we don't do one"

You know the risk of buying Chinese and you should be free to choose if that is worth it to you.

I could put a harmful new medication on the market just as easily, the only difference is if you know the right people and grease the right hands. That is the FDA. You are a lunatic if you think the FDA makes food and medicine safe. It is just another step in the fusion of big business and the government to end competition and enrich themselves.

If I had a formula to make a better Boner Pill it would never see the marketplace. That is why the FDA exists. To keep people like me from threatening Big Pharm, etc.

[Brickboy240]

Even WITH the FDA...drugs get approved and sent to market then people die and they get removed.

Govt agencies are no guarantee 100% that they will protect you.

- brickboy240

[deltawhisky]

Originally Posted by dhgunit

...how it is beneficial for companies to put products, foods, and medicines on the market that don't kill or hurt their customers and how a reputation for KILLING YOUR CUSTOMER will end your business without any government involvement whatsoever.

YES!!! (however, much like the arguments about the stopping power of 9mm rounds, are you volunteering to be one of the dead customers?)