XD Talk

**Rustynuts** · 05-12-2012, 11:43 AM

Not sure if already running, but FL woman gets 20-yrs for simple warning shot fired during domestic dispute. I'm not sure how SYG doesn't apply here. Judge says the by her going back into the house to get keys constitutes no fear for her safety. Sounds like total BS to me. If he threatened her again as she was getting her keys absolutely should be SYG. There is no duty to flee if you fear for your life. That's the definition of SYG.

20-years without even hurting anyone? Ridiculous. People get less that that for murder/manslaughter.

Florida woman sentenced to 20 years in controversial warning shot case - CNN.com

CrAz3D · 05-12-2012, 11:50 AM

She fired it in the direction of the bedroom where her kids were. 20 years sounds intense. She should've taken the 3 year plea deal.

Russ7777 · 05-12-2012, 11:51 AM

Interesting that this story gets posted today; I just read an article about warning shots by Massad Ayoob in Combat Handguns. I, like you, am suprised by the judgement, and I can only think three things:
1. We don't know all the story behind the story.
2. The judge is an anti-gun radical, and has just been waiting for this kind of case to make his statement.
3. A gross over reaction to the Trevon shooting.

I suspect 1 and 3 are the most likely answers.

GT Jon · 05-12-2012, 11:57 AM

You're gonna hate me for saying it, but warning shots have no place in someone's bag of tricks, and if you're going to pull the trigger it had better be an intentional shot to center mass. She'd probably be scott-free if she had shot the guy.

In brighter news, I'm sure it will be overturned or reduced on appeal. Hooray American justice system?

Clint_Beastwood · 05-12-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ7777

Interesting that this story gets posted today; I just read an article about warning shots by Massad Ayoob in Combat Handguns. I, like you, am suprised by the judgement, and I can only think three things:
1. We don't know all the story behind the story.
2. The judge is an anti-gun radical, and has just been waiting for this kind of case to make his statement.
3. A gross over reaction to the Trevon shooting.

I suspect 1 and 3 are the most likely answers.

thats kinda what I'm thinking too, 20 yrs for a warning shot seems to be excessive

Another · 05-12-2012, 12:02 PM

This same case will be made against GZ. He left a safe position, and walked back into the development supposedly to search for an address after reporting seeing TM. Same attorney, emboldened by this verdict, will argue it again.

Also, agree with the comment about warning shots. No place in self defense.

PS: GZ's case differs in that he has claim to evidence of a physical attack.

Another · 05-12-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GT Jon

Hooray American justice system?

is being dead. So many better options have to be stepped over to find yourself there.

The risk I see in the move to CCW for self defense is people taking risks they wouldn't take if they weren't carrying. It's similar to the the syndrome of LE taking greater risks when they first began wearing vests. They had to discipline themselves against it.

ADA · 05-12-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Another

The risk I see in the move to CCW for self defense is people taking risks they wouldn't take if they weren't carrying. It's similar to the the syndrome of LE taking greater risks when they first began wearing vests. They had to discipline themselves against it.

That's one of the arguments the gun haters use and unfortunately it does seem to have some logic behind it. Would she have gone back in the house if she didn't have a gun? Or would she have gone to a neighbors and called the police? I don't know but what she did do went bad for her.

While we can say that all CCW holders are law abiding citizens we cannot say they are all going to use good judgement and be calm and restrained in a stressful situation.

**yocan** · 05-12-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CrAz3D

She fired it in the direction of the bedroom where her kids were. 20 years sounds intense. She should've taken the 3 year plea deal.

3 years I would have felt was appropriate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ7777

Interesting that this story gets posted today; I just read an article about warning shots by Massad Ayoob in Combat Handguns. I, like you, am suprised by the judgement, and I can only think three things:
1. We don't know all the story behind the story.
2. The judge is an anti-gun radical, and has just been waiting for this kind of case to make his statement.
3. A gross over reaction to the Trevon shooting.

I suspect 1 and 3 are the most likely answers.

umm I read the story when it was on cnn under racial bias. couple things same prosocuter as the one going after Zimmerman if she went nice she would be called racist. She fired TOWARDS HER CHILDREN. Instead of walking out of the garage abandoning her car she RETURNED TO THE FIGHT with a gun out. She claims to have forgotten her keys so went to get them. She could have A opened garage and walked out B waited for things to calm down instead she escalated a FIGHT. She didn't walk into a situation and a fight ensued she went back to a fight with a gun to win said fight.

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Originally Posted by Clint_Beastwood

thats kinda what I'm thinking too, 20 yrs for a warning shot seems to be excessive

I'll agree the number does not compute, charging her does.

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Originally Posted by Another

This same case will be made against GZ. He left a safe position, and walked back into the development supposedly to search for an address after reporting seeing TM. Same attorney, emboldened by this verdict, will argue it again.

Also, agree with the comment about warning shots. No place in self defense.

PS: GZ's case differs in that he has claim to evidence of a physical attack.

No GZ went into a situation a fight ensued when he lost he went for a gun, she went into a fight with a gun drawn and fired to intimidate (was it needed if she didn't shoot him I don't think so) and fired at her children if you notice the kids part is why the prosocuter wouldn't drop it, she did offer 3 years which I felt would have been the appropriate consequence.

**ghost--scout** · 05-12-2012, 04:36 PM

3 years for a warning shot isnt even appropriate. People get dui's and get 30 days or less in jail. My mother-in-law's boyfriend was dui and killed 2 people; he got 7 years. This was in VA, but still. Years for discharging a firearm? There must be more to this story. No way 20 years is justified for a warning shot.