New evidence in the Zimmerman case supports Zimmerman.

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

SAME GOES FOR Z!!!! He didn't know a THING about M. Whether he was carrying, an MMA fighter, with fellow gang member around the corner, etc. Z should have AVOIDED contact at ALL COSTS. No backup, knowing the police were just going to meet him at the gate, etc., nothing but him and his trusty Keltec. Stupid.

I never claimed Zimmerman was acting smart, just that what he did was not illegal.

Also, following and observing is neither a confrontaion or contact.

Using the information released to date, we have the following scenario.

With Martin just 400' away from safety down a straight sidewalk, his best choice would have been to go for that safety. Then, had the creepy guy (Zimmerman), tried to initiate a confrontation, there would have been a locked door in Zimmerman's way. Had Zimmerman forced the door, there would have been more people there to fight the intruder. At the same time, Martin could have called the police to report a suspicious man following him. There were two solid minutes for Martin to get to safety if he chose to.

At the same time, Zimmerman had lost sight of Martin and was following the dispatchers suggestion to stop following Martin. To that end, he was heading back to his truck to wait for police.

With all this, why did Martin decide to confront Zimmerman and initiate a felony assault? Surely initiating contact with Zimmerman cannot be construed as self-defense since Zimmerman was walking away from Martin at the time Martin approached him.

Answer that one honestly and you'll see that Zimmerman is likely to get off the 2nd degree murder charge.

[JSchulte]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

Z should have AVOIDED contact at ALL COSTS. No backup, knowing the police were just going to meet him at the gate, etc., nothing but him and his trusty Keltec. Stupid.

I was placing bets that after the one round it failed to extract .

[cz75luver]

I could definitely envision Martin mouthing off at Zimmerman when Zimmerman asked him what he was doing. After learning about Zimmerman's problem with anger management, assaulting law enforcement officers, physically abusing a girlfriend, throwing a drunk woman, road rage, etc., I could easily see Zimmerman getting so enraged that he was the one that started the physical confrontation. His father being a judge, not to mention is previous run-ins with law enforcement, would explain his knowing how to spin the story.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by JSchulte

I was placing bets that after the one round it failed to extract .

Mine broke it's hammer spring. Z would have had to beat M to death with it then. Sold it.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by Mr. YACYAS

It doesn't matter to the case, none of it is provable. Its all just hearsay honestly. Girlfriend and co-worker are probably just attention hounds anyway.

Matters as much as M being a "thug" as everyone claims. Z should also be older/wiser than to do those kinds of things. He's not in HS. Also as pointed out earlier, could be allowed as "character" evidence against Z. In the domestic, Z claimed she started it, they ended up w/ mutual restraining orders. So he didn't truly get away with that one totally. As for the security thing, I'm sure they can dig up more witnesses than just the girl involved.

[br0ck]

Originally Posted by cz75luver

His father being a judge, not to mention is previous run-ins with law enforcement, would explain his knowing how to spin the story.

Not to mention his mother being a court deputy clerk for over 20 years. He not only knows people who know people... he knows the right things to say after an incident like that. Apparently "I was assaulted first" and "it was self defense" is all it takes to get off. Well that... and in this case... a dead witness. hehe It worked all the other times... why not this time?

He'll walk in this case just like he did his previous altercations. For someone who is so unlucky enough to just find himself in these types of situations (where he keeps getting assaulted [first] by various people) you have to say that luck plays at least a small part in him continuing to get by without so much as a slap on the wrist in these cases. I can't tell if he is one of the unluckiest damn people on the planet (since these situations just keep finding him) or maybe one of the luckiest (because he has apparently survived them all... physically and legally)!

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by br0ck

he knows the right things to say after an incident like that. Apparently "I was assaulted first" and "it was self defense" is all it takes to get off. Well that... and in this case... a dead witness. hehe

Well that's what they tell you to say. "I was in fear for my life", and "where's my lawyer". Is all you should ever say to the police in such a situation.

[br0ck]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

Well that's what they tell you to say. "I was in fear for my life", and "where's my lawyer". Is all you should ever say to the police in such a situation.

Those are precisely the words he used in the non-shooting altercations before this latest episode. He said both times "I was assaulted first, it was self defense" in both the altercation with the undercover officer and with the domestic dispute (which is how he got the restraining order against his fiancee). That is what the witnesses heard him screaming when they came out and saw him standing over Martin's dead body with a gun... "I was assaulted first, it was self defense". This isn't his first rodeo! He knows what to do! it worked for him the prior times... I'm sure it will work for him again this time.

[Mr. YACYAS]

Originally Posted by Rustynuts

Matters as much as M being a "thug" as everyone claims. Z should also be older/wiser than to do those kinds of things. He's not in HS. Also as pointed out earlier, could be allowed as "character" evidence against Z. In the domestic, Z claimed she started it, they ended up w/ mutual restraining orders. So he didn't truly get away with that one totally. As for the security thing, I'm sure they can dig up more witnesses than just the girl involved.

People don't get it

It doesn't matter if M was a thug. It doesn't even matter if Trayvon was scoping houses that night.

It doesn't matter what these attention grabbers say about Zimmerman. It doesn't matter that Zimmerman got out of the truck to follow Trayvon.

All that matters is who attacked who. If Zimmerman tried to arrest Trayvon for what he thought Trayvon was doing then Zimmerman is wrong and should get murder two. If Zimmerman was walking back to his truck and Trayvon attacked him then Zimmerman had the right the shoot Trayvon.

Prove either one to solve the case.

Everything else; trayvon being suspended for paraphernalia, Zimmerman's relationships, and previous arrests. Wether or not Zimmerman was a racist.

It is what it is, bull**** plain and simple. nothing else matters. Did or did not Zimmerman have the right to pull the trigger, is the only questioned that needs to be answered and it only involves about one minute (or less) of time in the case.

All this other crap is just to decrease focus on what does matter.

[Rustynuts]

Originally Posted by Mr. YACYAS

People don't get it

It doesn't matter if M was a thug. It doesn't even matter if Trayvon was scoping houses that night.

It doesn't matter what these attention grabbers say about Zimmerman. It doesn't matter that Zimmerman got out of the truck to follow Trayvon.

All that matters is who attacked who. If Zimmerman tried to arrest Trayvon for what he thought Trayvon was doing then Zimmerman is wrong and should get murder two. If Zimmerman was walking back to his truck and Trayvon attacked him then Zimmerman had the right the shoot Trayvon.

Prove either one to solve the case.

Everything else; trayvon being suspended for paraphernalia, Zimmerman's relationships, and previous arrests. Wether or not Zimmerman was a racist.

It is what it is, bull**** plain and simple. nothing else matters. Did or did not Zimmerman have the right to pull the trigger, is the only questioned that needs to be answered and it only involves about one minute (or less) of time in the case.

All this other crap is just to decrease focus on what does matter.

All that is true for the case at hand. I don't really care about that. It is what it is. I care more about Z's poor decisions weighing on us all and more knee-jerk anti-gun legislation we have to fight off. That's why his decision to get out of the car is the major event in my book.