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Zim · 04-17-2006, 03:15 AM

As subject says I'm definitely not using a 9mm for a defensive caliber. Talking to a local cop I know he told about responding to a domestic violence call. Got there the guy was holding a girl with a knife to her throat. The guy's hand twitched or something the knife started to cut into her throat so his partner fired and hit the guy in his eye and he's still alive. Also heard about some bg was shot two in the chest and one in the head with a 9mm and he lived to.

PeninaD · 04-17-2006, 05:03 AM

Too "knee-jerk" a response to what you heard.

Did you hear what the load was (gr, jacket type, etc)?
That could make a difference too.

Me, I'm sticking with my 9 loaded with Hydra-Shocks

HTOWN stunna · 04-17-2006, 05:41 AM

I was watching TLC and there was a cop who was shot point blank range with a .380 or a 9mm and the bullet jammed in his gum underneath his chin where he was shot. I just think its all luck whether you live or not. there was another one with a football player who was shot in the head and had a piece of his brain removed. he couldnt even talk or think after he woke up but three months later they showed him running and catching the ball. All Luck IMHO

brandon14295 · 04-17-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zim

As subject says I'm definitely not using a 9mm for a defensive caliber. Talking to a local cop I know he told about responding to a domestic violence call. Got there the guy was holding a girl with a knife to her throat. The guy's hand twitched or something the knife started to cut into her throat so his partner fired and hit the guy in his eye and he's still alive. Also heard about some bg was shot two in the chest and one in the head with a 9mm and he lived to.

my pastor was shot up with a .45 and hes still living.

some people get hit by lightening and still live.

stuff happens.

poetshot · 04-17-2006, 07:14 AM

Keep talking to cops. You'll also hear stories about people being killed with 38s, 22s, heck, probably even pellets, BBs or slingshot bearings. You'll also hear incredible survival stories where someone lives through something that would normally kill 99 out of 100 people. Point is, there are 2 sides of the fence on 9mm effectiveness there is no 1 shot miracle caliber that will kill 100% of the time (at least not that you can carry concealed). I think you should do your own research and draw your own conclusions on the caliber before giving it up as useless for self protection based on the words of one persons experience...

dave_in_delaware · 04-17-2006, 07:51 AM

Personally, I won't be giving up my 9mm's. Everyone speaks of shot placement as being key. Yes, there are those rare instances where a shot to the head or COM doesn't kill someone. But there are way many more instances where those types of shots DID kill someone. It's the rare cases that you hear about. The standard "was killed by..." instances don't get much publicity. Look at it this way: if it's not that person's time to go, it won't matter how or where he/she was shot (or caliber).

Besides, the point of carrying a concealed deadly weapon is to stop someone attacking you, to stop the threat to your life. You're not out to "kill" someone. If it was a legally justified shooting, whether they live or die, you don't have to worry about future issues (lawsuits).

Again, there's no such thing as a one-shot stop caliber (well, not in a handgun anyway). Placement is key. Plus the fact that most people (not just BG's) would probably stop or drop after being shot with anything. Being shot has to play a real mind game with someone. Unless some drugs are involved of course.

Anyway, I'll be carrying my XD-9sc for protection once I get my permit. I don't doubt its effectiveness for personal protection. I'd trust my life with my 9mm. The key isn't the gun, but the person using the gun.

aiformula · 04-17-2006, 07:54 AM

lot's of soldiers got hit by 8mm rifle rounds in ww2 and are still around today. My uncle was hit 3 places by bullets from a japanese machine gun as he was diving for a trench and he is still here to talk about it. One of the shots was a head shot and took out his eye. About a month ago in the news, a ccw holder came to the aid of a police officer who was struggling w/ a suspect. The cop had already discharged his weapon into the suspect prompting the ccw holder to retrieve his own 45 from his car. Bad guy already had on 38 on board and was hit center mass 4 more times w/ the ccw holder's 45 and continued to fight prompting the ccw holder to get close and place a head shot ending the struggle. And, about 2 weeks ago, there was a post on this forum about a kid who was killed playing w/ a 22.

Pick your caliber by what you can rap off follow up shots w/ consistently and accurately and trust to shot placement.

malkore · 04-17-2006, 02:02 PM

Well, I've read several articles from reputable sources, that state how the US military can't use hollow points...ditto for LEO organizations.

They're stuck with 115gr FMJ rounds from all I've read. Drop some 124gr. hollow points (or something fancier like Hydra-shok, Corban, etc) and you're gonna put someone down a lot better.

No, its not a .45, but its not a through and through the diameter of a #2 pencil anymore either.

nightraider · 04-17-2006, 02:07 PM

.22LR kills, 9mm kills, .45ACP kills. What makes you think a .45ACP would of killed that guy who got shot in the eye over a 9mm? Do you realize the difference in diameter are quite small?

DigMe · 04-17-2006, 03:29 PM

I feel completely confident with my selection of an XD-9 loaded subbie loaded with 147gr Win. Ranger ammo. Anecdotes be damned.

bc

04-17-2006, 03:15 AM	#1
Zim XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Reno,NV Posts: 543	Now I know I'm not using a 9mm As subject says I'm definitely not using a 9mm for a defensive caliber. Talking to a local cop I know he told about responding to a domestic violence call. Got there the guy was holding a girl with a knife to her throat. The guy's hand twitched or something the knife started to cut into her throat so his partner fired and hit the guy in his eye and he's still alive. Also heard about some bg was shot two in the chest and one in the head with a 9mm and he lived to. __________________ My pistols XD 45 tactical XD 45 service compact XD 9 service XD 40 sub-compact Springfield 1911-A1 G.I. Beretta 92fs Sig SP2022 Walther P22 Ruger MKII S&W 640 NAA .22 magnum Vengence isn't a valid motive. Revenge is a emotional response. No, not vengence. Punishment. Sic vis pacem Parabellum.

04-17-2006, 05:41 AM	#3
HTOWN stunna XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alpine Texas Posts: 1,564	I was watching TLC and there was a cop who was shot point blank range with a .380 or a 9mm and the bullet jammed in his gum underneath his chin where he was shot. I just think its all luck whether you live or not. there was another one with a football player who was shot in the head and had a piece of his brain removed. he couldnt even talk or think after he woke up but three months later they showed him running and catching the ball. All Luck IMHO __________________ The world is populated in the main by people who should not exist. - George Bernard Shaw

04-17-2006, 07:14 AM	#5
poetshot XDTalk Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: south central Pa Posts: 47	Keep talking to cops. You'll also hear stories about people being killed with 38s, 22s, heck, probably even pellets, BBs or slingshot bearings. You'll also hear incredible survival stories where someone lives through something that would normally kill 99 out of 100 people. Point is, there are 2 sides of the fence on 9mm effectiveness there is no 1 shot miracle caliber that will kill 100% of the time (at least not that you can carry concealed). I think you should do your own research and draw your own conclusions on the caliber before giving it up as useless for self protection based on the words of one persons experience... __________________ \"To the world you might be just one person, but to one person you just might be the world\"

04-17-2006, 07:51 AM	#6
dave_in_delaware XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wilmington, DE Posts: 6,158	Personally, I won't be giving up my 9mm's. Everyone speaks of shot placement as being key. Yes, there are those rare instances where a shot to the head or COM doesn't kill someone. But there are way many more instances where those types of shots DID kill someone. It's the rare cases that you hear about. The standard "was killed by..." instances don't get much publicity. Look at it this way: if it's not that person's time to go, it won't matter how or where he/she was shot (or caliber). Besides, the point of carrying a concealed deadly weapon is to stop someone attacking you, to stop the threat to your life. You're not out to "kill" someone. If it was a legally justified shooting, whether they live or die, you don't have to worry about future issues (lawsuits). Again, there's no such thing as a one-shot stop caliber (well, not in a handgun anyway). Placement is key. Plus the fact that most people (not just BG's) would probably stop or drop after being shot with anything. Being shot has to play a real mind game with someone. Unless some drugs are involved of course. Anyway, I'll be carrying my XD-9sc for protection once I get my permit. I don't doubt its effectiveness for personal protection. I'd trust my life with my 9mm. The key isn't the gun, but the person using the gun. __________________ Dave Daily carry = XD-9 service in a Blackhawk CQC SERPA holster, a Spyderco Native, and a Streamlight Scorpion. "Everything matters... unless it's antimatter." “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.” [Delaware Constitution, Article I, § 20 Right to keep and bear arms]

04-17-2006, 07:54 AM	#7
aiformula XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sw ohio Posts: 3,116	lot's of soldiers got hit by 8mm rifle rounds in ww2 and are still around today. My uncle was hit 3 places by bullets from a japanese machine gun as he was diving for a trench and he is still here to talk about it. One of the shots was a head shot and took out his eye. About a month ago in the news, a ccw holder came to the aid of a police officer who was struggling w/ a suspect. The cop had already discharged his weapon into the suspect prompting the ccw holder to retrieve his own 45 from his car. Bad guy already had on 38 on board and was hit center mass 4 more times w/ the ccw holder's 45 and continued to fight prompting the ccw holder to get close and place a head shot ending the struggle. And, about 2 weeks ago, there was a post on this forum about a kid who was killed playing w/ a 22. Pick your caliber by what you can rap off follow up shots w/ consistently and accurately and trust to shot placement. __________________ Tony Obama '08... change we can bereave in. Guns are like orgasms.......you just can't have enough good ones!

04-17-2006, 05:03 AM	#2
PeninaD XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PA Posts: 216	Too "knee-jerk" a response to what you heard. Did you hear what the load was (gr, jacket type, etc)? That could make a difference too. Me, I'm sticking with my 9 loaded with Hydra-Shocks __________________ XD9 Service Marlin 336 Marlin 22mag

04-17-2006, 02:02 PM	#8
malkore XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eastern Nebraska Posts: 646	Well, I've read several articles from reputable sources, that state how the US military can't use hollow points...ditto for LEO organizations. They're stuck with 115gr FMJ rounds from all I've read. Drop some 124gr. hollow points (or something fancier like Hydra-shok, Corban, etc) and you're gonna put someone down a lot better. No, its not a .45, but its not a through and through the diameter of a #2 pencil anymore either.

04-17-2006, 02:07 PM	#9
nightraider XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,483	.22LR kills, 9mm kills, .45ACP kills. What makes you think a .45ACP would of killed that guy who got shot in the eye over a 9mm? Do you realize the difference in diameter are quite small?

04-17-2006, 03:29 PM	#10
DigMe XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 1,540	I feel completely confident with my selection of an XD-9 loaded subbie loaded with 147gr Win. Ranger ammo. Anecdotes be damned. bc __________________ This space for rent. .jpgs and .gifs need not apply.

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