fast cars for lames

[mst3kguy]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES.

i'm not disputing what you're saying, but isn't it

"there's no replacement for displacement"?

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[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

I guess that mean that you think an S2000 engine transplanted into the Corvette would allow the Corvette to go faster????? What a joke.

Have you actually been involved in a side by side race or do you merely draw your end conclusion from a biased rice-rocket tuner magazine. Believe me I have heard most all of these auto arguments. Sure a small engine can be "juiced" in order to outrun a LARGE engine but it is only temporary and as soon as the juice runs out the so does the speed. A larger engine is built beefier and therefore it causes less overall stress to the structure to run it hard. A smaller engine when "pushed" will simply wear out faster.
Cubic inches are what multiplies the formula for power in order to make torque. Torque is what causes the car to accelerate. Top-fuel dragsters and Nitromethane powered funny cars don't break speed records using small displacement 4 cyl engines. If engine size were not a main factor then you would be bragging about how fast your 1 cylinder Briggs-Stratton engine can push your Honda.
HEMI DODGE VS. HERNIA HONDA..... Film at 11

I smoked a Viper in a friends Supra. Straight 6 versus a V-10, does that count?

You also automatically labeled my a ricer there. A little insecure are we? Ive seen big blocks that will smoke anything, and a Subaru WRX that will do the same. As such, I know that your argument of "no replacement for displacement" is rather moot. Take your big V-8 to any track of your choosing, and watch it get spanked by little 4 cylinder Hondas who have better handling in the twisties. Horse power and torque arent everything...

[WARHEAD'Z]

Originally Posted by DanaT

What are you talking about?

-Dana

I'm referring to the Supras, Porsche and others mentioned above that cost over $50 grand with tax that your average high schooler has never even sat in let along rate being a reputable auto critic capable of writting a cover story on them for Road & Track. How easy it must be to compare and critique an automobile that one has never driven.....I want a job like that

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

I'm referring to the Supras, Porsche and others mentioned above that cost over $50 grand with tax that your average high schooler has never even sat in let along rate being a reputable auto critic capable of writting a cover story on them for Road & Track. How easy it must be to compare and critique an automobile that one has never driven.....I want a job like that

A Supra is hardly a 50k+ exotic.

[WARHEAD'Z]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

I smoked a Viper in a friends Supra. Straight 6 versus a V-10, does that count?

Then you woke up No wait you said you smoked a Viper.....Darn is that what you kids are calling it these days? Did you roll it yourself or use a pipe?

Quite frankly no, I'm sorry but I am willing to bet that the owner of a Viper probally had no interest in racing you. Some cars are styled so well that they don't need to dignify that action with a response.
http://www.dodge.com/viper/

Understand that I'm not putting down the Supra. What I am saying is that a lot of factors mix into the receipe for speed. Power to weight ratio is also an important factor. The more HP that can be produced per pound of vehicle means that it will have the potential to travel faster. A higher amount of cubic inches along with a longer stroke ratio up the ante for torque which in turn gets the vehicle moving with less effort. Allow for the appropriate needed traction and if the two vehicles weigh the same and have the same gearing then the bigger engine will always have the mechanical advantage to propel the car forward and faster. Just like a larger 300 lbs. man is less likely to tire out when pushing a 200 lbs. weight payload for a specific distance than a man of 100 lbs. would. The bigger man would have the mechanical advantage. Simple physics.

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

Then you woke up No wait you said you smoked a Viper.....Darn is that what you kids are calling it these days? Did you roll it yourself or use a pipe?

Quite frankly no, I'm sorry but I am willing to bet that the owner of a Viper probally had no interest in racing you. Some cars are styled so well that they don't need to dignify that action with a response.
http://www.dodge.com/viper/

Understand that I'm not putting down the Supra. What I am saying is that a lot of factors mix into the receipe for speed. Power to weight ratio is also an important factor. The more HP that can be produced per pound of vehicle means that it will have the potential to travel faster. A higher amount of cubic inches along with a longer stroke ratio up the ante for torque which in turn gets the vehicle moving with less effort. Allow for the appropriate needed traction and if the two vehicles weigh the same and have the same gearing then the bigger engine will always have the mechanical advantage to propel the car forward and faster. Just like a larger 300 lbs. man is less likely to tire out when pushing a 200 lbs. weight payload for a specific distance than a man of 100 lbs. would. The bigger man would have the mechanical advantage. Simple physics.

Er, no, considering I know the person driving the Viper, and he thought he couldnt be beat, until he saw my tail lights, 5-6 car lengths in front of him, and I wasnt giving it all that car had.

The new Vipers are fugly. Ill take an older one any day of the week.

Here again, youre assuming Im a kid. Couldnt be more wrong....

[WARHEAD'Z]

Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15

A Supra is hardly a 50k+ exotic.

I agree with the non-exotic part but when configured with certain sport and luxury package add-ons they could run over $50k

[cucamelsmd15]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

I agree with the non-exotic part but when configured with certain sport and luxury package add-ons they could run over $50k

When buying one used, and making the basic upgrades, its hardly 50k.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

I'm referring to the Supras, Porsche and others mentioned above that cost over $50 grand with tax that your average high schooler has never even sat in let along rate being a reputable auto critic capable of writting a cover story on them for Road & Track. How easy it must be to compare and critique an automobile that one has never driven.....I want a job like that

So are you trying to say that I can't talk about Porsches because I have no experience with driving them? If that is what you are trying to imply, then I will not even repsond.

-Dana

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by WARHEAD'Z

A higher amount of cubic inches along with a longer stroke ratio up the ante for torque which in turn gets the vehicle moving with less effort. Allow for the appropriate needed traction and if the two vehicles weigh the same and have the same gearing then the bigger engine will always have the mechanical advantage to propel the car forward and faster. Just like a larger 300 lbs. man is less likely to tire out when pushing a 200 lbs. weight payload for a specific distance than a man of 100 lbs. would. The bigger man would have the mechanical advantage. Simple physics.

Uhmmm. Not always. Go back and look at your "simple physics". To put this somewhat simply, once and engine is run past its torque peak it is then going to its hp peak. Past the point of the torque peak, HP takes over. You will NEVER have an engine that makes more torque than HP past 5252 RPM (use you simple physics and figure out why). What torque does is allow you to make your ET on the short end of the track. High HP allows you to make you ET on the back end of the track. If you don;t understand what I am talking about, I suggest you go do some dragracing.

No, back to your "simple physics". You do realize that HP and Torque are DIRECTLY related don't you? If you only have toque, you won’t go anywhere. To be more precise, torque is a force multiplied by a moment. How long does it take to finish a quarter mile? Do you see an important part of the statement? Here for some help... "how long". "How long" (or elapsed time) means there is TIME involved. Come on now Einstein, tell me where TIME is in the TORQUE equation????? Here is a little help....IT ISN'T IN THERE? So, please explain how TORQUE is involved with motion that happens over TIME.

I mean you say its "Simple Physics". Well here is you chance to explain the simple physics.

I will wait eagerly for this explanation. Of coarse, I can’t do simple physics…..

-Dana