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Matt`G · 03-27-2006, 02:07 PM

Click here for the story. Sorry, would quote it in here but that whole "No republishing" thing at the bottom scares me.

Anyway, I'm left a bit puzzled by a few parts of this story. A homeless man approached four teens at a gas station and asked them for money. He then pulled a knife, and one of the teens drew a gun and shot him in the head.

Okay, first of all, it says the teens were 13-17yrs old, which means there is no legal way the teen could have owned the gun. You have to be 21 to carry with a permit in MI, so it sounds like the teen was illegally carrying an illegal gun.

However, at least how the article presents it, the teen acted in self defense. The article ends saying the homeless man (the victim, as they say) is in critical condition and the police have the four suspects in custody. The one teen obviously violated firearms laws -- and I suppose you could speculate the others may have had illegal weapons on them, etc. Yet, it seems like a case of self defense... and the article would lead you to believe the teens will be charged for the shooting.

Maybe I'm over-analyzing this, but it just struck me as a poor report of the situation.

**Old School** · 03-27-2006, 02:23 PM

It will be interesting to see what the video tapes show, assuming the gas station had 101 cameras like the average store has.

**Majk** · 03-27-2006, 02:37 PM

Well the kids actually probably could have ran away since the homeless man had a knife. I'm sure teenagers could out run a homeless man.

So that goes against their self defense argument.

Either way it's getting to be more and more common situation nowadays.

I'm sure that kid wasn't carrying just to protect himself, it was probably meant for facilitating a crime.

jasonl6 · 03-27-2006, 04:28 PM

From the news artical we have no idea what these kids are like. For all i know they are like the punks that hang out in this town just causing trouble. Maybe they have had the cops called on them before for lotering or causing problems. I'm sure the cops are simulare to the ones around here and know all the trouble makers..Could be the case.

Jason

crazyelece · 03-27-2006, 04:40 PM

What you have to realize here is it is Detroit. And why the kid was carrying a gun doesn't come into play on self defense. While going to school in Detroit I was once approached by a man in a wheel chair who asked for money. Being the everyday college student I had none to give even if I had wanted to. After informing him of this the man reached into his jacket like he was drawing a weapon. Needless to say I reacted. I always carried some sort of knife on me (usually a pocket knife) and I quickly drew it out and started to advance. I figured when you have a knife and he may have a gun, closer is better especially if he was truly handicapped. Well when he brought his hand completely out he was pointing it at me like a gun. You know the way a kid would. He was very lucky I saw his hand was empty as it came out of the jacket or I probably would have had the knife in his chest or on his throat.

After this incident and others while living in Detroit, there are just some places that are different. It isn't suburbia and anyone who hasn't experienced it really has no understanding of what it can really be like. I'd say this case will be tristed around in the local media. It will be twisted around based on race and exact location. I was taught by my CCW instructors who all were cops that if someone threatens you with any weapon, and they are within 7yds, to draw and fire. A BG can close that distance in less time than you could flee so fleeing would not be considered safe.

east_stingray · 03-27-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bryan.tonya

Well the kids actually probably could have ran away since the homeless man had a knife. I'm sure teenagers could out run a homeless man.

So that goes against their self defense argument.

Either way it's getting to be more and more common situation nowadays.

I'm sure that kid wasn't carrying just to protect himself, it was probably meant for facilitating a crime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonl6

From the news artical we have no idea what these kids are like. For all i know they are like the punks that hang out in this town just causing trouble. Maybe they have had the cops called on them before for lotering or causing problems. I'm sure the cops are simulare to the ones around here and know all the trouble makers..Could be the case.

You guys are doing the exact same thing the liberal media does in a defensive shooting situation. Someone is forced to use a gun in a defense situation (or at least so it seems for this story right now) and it is immediately assumed that the person only carried the gun because they "wanted to shoot someone" or were going to commit a crime with it. Don't discount the kid like that just because he is underage when you have no background on the story. Maybe someone had threatened to kill him if he didn't move drugs for them or the like and he was afraid for his life. Maybe he had been raped or sexually exploited previously and no one had done anything to bring the attacker to justice. I know I'd carry a gun, even underage, if that happened to me. We just don't know.

**Majk** · 03-27-2006, 05:24 PM

Yes but that's the exact circumstance they use to say that's why we shouldn't have conceal carry because of kids and people like them.

He's under age, he shouldn't be carrying a gun period.

I got my ass kicked many times in my school age days and never thought well I'll just carry my dad's pistol.

He's under age, so it doesn't matter. It would have been different if he was in his own home and shot the guy.

Oni · 03-27-2006, 07:37 PM

I just want to know how the teen got awhole of the gun, simply.

Matt`G · 03-28-2006, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryan.tonya

Yes but that's the exact circumstance they use to say that's why we shouldn't have conceal carry because of kids and people like them.

He's under age, he shouldn't be carrying a gun period.

I got my ass kicked many times in my school age days and never thought well I'll just carry my dad's pistol.

He's under age, so it doesn't matter. It would have been different if he was in his own home and shot the guy.

I don't think a case like this has much bearing on rights of legal concealed carry folks. If it turns out the shooting was not self defense, the kid was not legally carrying anyway. This could very well be the case -- four kids vs one homeless man -- it is possible the kids escalated the situation. I hope a more detailed report is done to follow up on this.

**Majk** · 03-28-2006, 11:56 AM

I'm just saying conceal carry opponents use any scenario they can to argue against it whether it makes sense or not.

03-27-2006, 02:07 PM	#1
Matt`G XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 602	Teen shoots homeless man in Detroit Click here for the story. Sorry, would quote it in here but that whole "No republishing" thing at the bottom scares me. Anyway, I'm left a bit puzzled by a few parts of this story. A homeless man approached four teens at a gas station and asked them for money. He then pulled a knife, and one of the teens drew a gun and shot him in the head. Okay, first of all, it says the teens were 13-17yrs old, which means there is no legal way the teen could have owned the gun. You have to be 21 to carry with a permit in MI, so it sounds like the teen was illegally carrying an illegal gun. However, at least how the article presents it, the teen acted in self defense. The article ends saying the homeless man (the victim, as they say) is in critical condition and the police have the four suspects in custody. The one teen obviously violated firearms laws -- and I suppose you could speculate the others may have had illegal weapons on them, etc. Yet, it seems like a case of self defense... and the article would lead you to believe the teens will be charged for the shooting. Maybe I'm over-analyzing this, but it just struck me as a poor report of the situation. __________________ Matt G. Got Jabber? matt [ at ] accordingtomatt [ dot ] com

03-27-2006, 02:23 PM	#2
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,675	It will be interesting to see what the video tapes show, assuming the gas station had 101 cameras like the average store has. __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

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Oni XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,544	I just want to know how the teen got awhole of the gun, simply. __________________ I came here for only 1 thing and you mother f-uckers did nothing but lie and instill me with false hope. F-uck off.

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03-27-2006, 02:37 PM	#3
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,715	Well the kids actually probably could have ran away since the homeless man had a knife. I'm sure teenagers could out run a homeless man. So that goes against their self defense argument. Either way it's getting to be more and more common situation nowadays. I'm sure that kid wasn't carrying just to protect himself, it was probably meant for facilitating a crime.

03-27-2006, 04:28 PM	#4
jasonl6 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shinglehouse Pa Posts: 18	From the news artical we have no idea what these kids are like. For all i know they are like the punks that hang out in this town just causing trouble. Maybe they have had the cops called on them before for lotering or causing problems. I'm sure the cops are simulare to the ones around here and know all the trouble makers..Could be the case. Jason

03-27-2006, 04:40 PM	#5
crazyelece XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maineville, Cincinnati, OH Posts: 73	What you have to realize here is it is Detroit. And why the kid was carrying a gun doesn't come into play on self defense. While going to school in Detroit I was once approached by a man in a wheel chair who asked for money. Being the everyday college student I had none to give even if I had wanted to. After informing him of this the man reached into his jacket like he was drawing a weapon. Needless to say I reacted. I always carried some sort of knife on me (usually a pocket knife) and I quickly drew it out and started to advance. I figured when you have a knife and he may have a gun, closer is better especially if he was truly handicapped. Well when he brought his hand completely out he was pointing it at me like a gun. You know the way a kid would. He was very lucky I saw his hand was empty as it came out of the jacket or I probably would have had the knife in his chest or on his throat. After this incident and others while living in Detroit, there are just some places that are different. It isn't suburbia and anyone who hasn't experienced it really has no understanding of what it can really be like. I'd say this case will be tristed around in the local media. It will be twisted around based on race and exact location. I was taught by my CCW instructors who all were cops that if someone threatens you with any weapon, and they are within 7yds, to draw and fire. A BG can close that distance in less time than you could flee so fleeing would not be considered safe.

03-27-2006, 05:24 PM	#7
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,715	Yes but that's the exact circumstance they use to say that's why we shouldn't have conceal carry because of kids and people like them. He's under age, he shouldn't be carrying a gun period. I got my ass kicked many times in my school age days and never thought well I'll just carry my dad's pistol. He's under age, so it doesn't matter. It would have been different if he was in his own home and shot the guy.

03-28-2006, 11:56 AM	#10
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,715	I'm just saying conceal carry opponents use any scenario they can to argue against it whether it makes sense or not.