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[TASF]Maverick · 03-08-2006, 07:53 PM

It's pretty liberating to be hoping for a lower grade for a change

jednp · 03-08-2006, 10:39 PM

I like how the nebraska one he states that they need to stop the dangerous law from passing that allows pretty much anyone and everyone and their dog and cat and fish too to be able to carry a firearm.. anywhere they want, including bars.. etc. Fear mongoring.. gotta love it. If I remember right, bars are out of the question when it comes to carrying in if the law passes. Funny how some people think the more they tell a fib, the more true it becomes with time.

I also find it pathetic that Brady got shot doing a job he signed up to do and knew he could get shot some day. Then complains about being shot. Feel bad he got shot, but hey... if you don't want to put your life in risk like that, go be a gardner or something instead.. but don't use it to ruin our 2nd ammendment.

mcb · 03-09-2006, 12:24 PM

This thread inspired me to do some fast (not so fast) and sloppy science. I looked up the firearms related deaths for each state and compared that to the Brady Campaign's violence prevention grade and came to the conclusion that the grade has nearly no correlation to firearms related deaths. ie a state with a high grade does not seem to have a reduce firearms related death compared to a state with a low grade.

Basically the grade 14=A+ 0=F- across the X axis and firearms related homicide in deaths per 100,000 people on the Y axis. Each data point on the plot is a state. I then did a linear regression. If there was a high correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide the R2 value on the graph would have been nearly 1. If there is a no correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide number the R2 number would be near 0. As you can see it not very close to 1.

What does this mean? Probably not much since it was not a very scientific study by myself but then again probably not much less than Brady Campaign's grade for each state.

For slightly more info I have sources for the data in the graph on my blog: http://mcb-homis.livejournal.com/

Ramblin' big time on this one
mcb

Drav · 03-09-2006, 12:40 PM

Haha .0157 correlation, that's hilarious.

Gun control isn't about crime, it's about control.

AresXD40 · 03-09-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightraider

"Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - D - No police discretion, training required, reciprocity, strong background check "

Texas- Wonder what it takes to get an A.

Oh apparantely banning CHL

: Nebraska "Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - A+ - PROHIBITS CONCEALED CARRY"

To get an A you need to be like California!

mr0w1 · 03-09-2006, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcb

This thread inspired me to do some fast (not so fast) and sloppy science. I looked up the firearms related deaths for each state and compared that to the Brady Campaign's violence prevention grade and came to the conclusion that the grade has nearly no correlation to firearms related deaths. ie a state with a high grade does not seem to have a reduce firearms related death compared to a state with a low grade.

Basically the grade 14=A+ 0=F- across the X axis and firearms related homicide in deaths per 100,000 people on the Y axis. Each data point on the plot is a state. I then did a linear regression. If there was a high correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide the R2 value on the graph would have been nearly 1. If there is a no correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide number the R2 number would be near 0. As you can see it not very close to 1.

What does this mean? Probably not much since it was not a very scientific study by myself but then again probably not much less than Brady Campaign's grade for each state.

For slightly more info I have sources for the data in the graph on my blog: http://mcb-homis.livejournal.com/

Ramblin' big time on this one
mcb

Dude...for a quick and dirty job, that turned out sweet. I wonder what the Brady Bunch would have to say about that?

(Maybe to also include all crimes committed with guns that didn't result in death, number of injuries, number of crimes w/ injuries, etc...)

Still, I think we all know that the only correlations that one sees between gun control and violent crime is negative.

mcb · 03-09-2006, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AresXD40

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightraider

"Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - D - No police discretion, training required, reciprocity, strong background check "

Texas- Wonder what it takes to get an A.

Oh apparantely banning CHL

: Nebraska "Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - A+ - PROHIBITS CONCEALED CARRY"

To get an A you need to be like California!

Actually there were no "A" or "A+" given only a few "A-"

:P

Alabama F
Alaska F+
Arizona D
Arkansas D
California A-
Colorado D
Connecticut A-
Delaware C
Florida F+
Georgia D
Hawaii A-
Idaho F+
Illinois A-
Indiana D
Iowa C+
Kansas C-
Kentucky F
Louisiana F
Maine D-
Maryland A-
Massachusetts A-
Michigan D+
Minnesota C-
Mississippi F
Missouri D+
Montana F
Nebraska B-
Nevada D
New Hampshire D-
New Jersey A-
New Mexico F
New York B+
North Carolina C
North Dakota D
Ohio D-
Oklahoma D-
Oregon C-
Pennsylvania D+
Rhode Island B-
South Carolina D+
South Dakota D
Tennessee D+
Texas D-
Utah D-
Vermont D+
Virginia C-
Washington C+
West Virginia D
Wisconsin C+
Wyoming F

I want to know why didn't DC did not get a grade? They arguably have the 'best'/strictest gun laws in the county. Maybe its because they and also have the highest firearms related homicide rate in the country.

mcb

AresXD40 · 03-09-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcb

Quote:

Originally Posted by AresXD40

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightraider

"Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - D - No police discretion, training required, reciprocity, strong background check "

Texas- Wonder what it takes to get an A.

Oh apparantely banning CHL

: Nebraska "Carrying Concealed Weapons Law - A+ - PROHIBITS CONCEALED CARRY"

To get an A you need to be like California!

Actually there were no "A" or "A+" given only a few "A-"

:P

I want to know why didn't DC did not get a grade? They arguably have the 'best'/strictest gun laws in the county. Maybe its because they and also have the highest firearms related homicide rate in the country.

mcb

They couldn't possibly give them a grade of A or grade them at all because it would prove their theory wrong... Not to mention I don't think Washington DC isn't a state last I checked...

jednp · 03-09-2006, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Not to mention I don't think Washington DC isn't a state last I checked...

May not be a state, but last time I checked the govt has no problem collecting taxes from people who live there, and has no problem enforcing laws there. The people there are US citizens, and should be afforded the same constitutional rights as everyone else, even if it's not technically a state. Just pathetic that they treat it this way.

JimLongley · 03-09-2006, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AresXD40

Not to mention I don't think Washington DC isn't a state last I checked...

ROFL1!! I was born IN DC, a very long time ago. The fun thing is filling out forms that ask for state and county of birth. Until I caught hell for it enough times, I used to fill in STATE OF BIRTH NAKED and COUNTY NO A

If you run the "No a" up against the county, you No Acounty (no account).

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03-09-2006, 12:24 PM	#33
mcb XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North East Ohio Posts: 2,076	This thread inspired me to do some fast (not so fast) and sloppy science. I looked up the firearms related deaths for each state and compared that to the Brady Campaign's violence prevention grade and came to the conclusion that the grade has nearly no correlation to firearms related deaths. ie a state with a high grade does not seem to have a reduce firearms related death compared to a state with a low grade. Basically the grade 14=A+ 0=F- across the X axis and firearms related homicide in deaths per 100,000 people on the Y axis. Each data point on the plot is a state. I then did a linear regression. If there was a high correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide the R2 value on the graph would have been nearly 1. If there is a no correlation between the Brady grade and Homicide number the R2 number would be near 0. As you can see it not very close to 1. What does this mean? Probably not much since it was not a very scientific study by myself but then again probably not much less than Brady Campaign's grade for each state. For slightly more info I have sources for the data in the graph on my blog: http://mcb-homis.livejournal.com/ Ramblin' big time on this one mcb __________________ If at first you don't succeed; RELOAD _ _ _ _ My web site

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03-08-2006, 10:39 PM	#32
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	I like how the nebraska one he states that they need to stop the dangerous law from passing that allows pretty much anyone and everyone and their dog and cat and fish too to be able to carry a firearm.. anywhere they want, including bars.. etc. Fear mongoring.. gotta love it. If I remember right, bars are out of the question when it comes to carrying in if the law passes. Funny how some people think the more they tell a fib, the more true it becomes with time. I also find it pathetic that Brady got shot doing a job he signed up to do and knew he could get shot some day. Then complains about being shot. Feel bad he got shot, but hey... if you don't want to put your life in risk like that, go be a gardner or something instead.. but don't use it to ruin our 2nd ammendment.

03-09-2006, 12:40 PM	#34
Drav XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 76	Haha .0157 correlation, that's hilarious. Gun control isn't about crime, it's about control.