Gun Makers Fight Illinois Gun Ban

[aiformula]

Originally Posted by jednp

Guess they should just ban any object that has ever been used to kill someone.

Wow, all the missing telephones and computer monitors would cause kids to actually have to go out and learn interpersonal communications face to face. There's a concept.

[jednp]

Originally Posted by aiformula

Wow, all the missing telephones and computer monitors would cause kids to actually have to go out and learn interpersonal communications face to face. There's a concept.

people have been killed with phones and computer monitors? that what you're trying to say? (strange puzzled look on face) lol

[aiformula]

yes

case in chicago while i was in college, man beat woman to death w/ telephone.

I know i've heard the computer monitor and tv stories, just can't quote any atm.

[Gadget]

Originally Posted by Iniquity

I love reading articles about how gunlaws should be increased, how people are going and buying mass quantities of handguns and turning around, selling them on the street.

My opinion is such. Who in their right mind would go purchase brand new firearms, using his/her name on all the papers, and then turn around and sell them to 'criminals'.

And most importantly. How in the hell would they ever make a profit. They have to buy the guns at the usual rates, and then sell them dirt cheap "street priced" .. They'd never make any money, ever.

Law makers have to start understanding that Guns dont commit crimes, people commit crimes. With, or without weapons. They'll do it reguardless. Gun laws will only stop those who want to legally, safely, and securely own a weapon. People who use guns in crimes don't buy them over the counter.

Heres what I think should be done, and once its done, be left alone forever.

Make ALL handgun and rifle purchases require you go to the local PD and do fingerprint/background checks. I don't care if your trying to buy a .22LR or an XD. I also think you should be required to have an ID card with a specfic tag number when you are purchasing ammo. That way each and every box of ammunition sold legally can be accounted for. That way, even if a 'criminal, or potential criminal' posessed a weapon, they would still not be able to obtain bullets, and if they do obtain them from someone who does have the card, and the ability to purchase ammo, they will be held accountable for whatever actions the person they supplied do.

I know I'm going to recieve some hate over this. But honestly, all of you (most I should say :P) are gun toating, law-following citizens who do their part to protect their family, and property. I believe none of us would have any problems with being required to be a member of some federal database before we can purchase ammo & guns. If you do have a problem with it, then I guess you shouldn't be owning one to begin with :P

I'll be sure to wipe a tear from my eye when you are put away for murder because some criminal stole your guns & ammo and murdered someone and then put the weapon back without your knowledge and without you having an alibi for the murder. Under your argument you would be liable and therefore guilty of the crime performed with your weapon.

Next time I borrow someone's car and get a ticket I'll just pass it on to the owner of the car since it is his rsponsibility for my infraction.

[Suppo]

Originally Posted by Iniquity

....I know I'm going to recieve some hate over this. But honestly, all of you (most I should say :P) are gun toating, law-following citizens who do their part to protect their family, and property. I believe none of us would have any problems with being required to be a member of some federal database before we can purchase ammo & guns. If you do have a problem with it, then I guess you shouldn't be owning one to begin with :P

So, if I have a problem with my Second Amendment rights/gun ownership specifics being in a central government database, then I shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm and defend myself? That's pathetic.

[Drav]

Originally Posted by Suppo

I see you're from Madison. I'll be there this weekend, as well as Huntsville.

I'm in Madison too. Small world.

[mboehlen]

Originally Posted by Iniquity

Heres what I think should be done, and once its done, be left alone forever.

Make ALL handgun and rifle purchases require you go to the local PD and do fingerprint/background checks. I don't care if your trying to buy a .22LR or an XD. I also think you should be required to have an ID card with a specfic tag number when you are purchasing ammo.

Ummmm, hate to break it to ya, but us law-abiding, gun-owning individuals in Illinois already have this. It's called a FOID card. We have to present to purchase ammo, or even to hold a gun in a store. We also have a 72 hr. waiting period on handguns, and 24 on rifles. Chicago already has a ban on handguns, can't you tell by how the crime rate has dramatically decreased?

[xd4life]

Originally Posted by Iniquity

I love reading articles about how gunlaws should be increased, how people are going and buying mass quantities of handguns and turning around, selling them on the street.

My opinion is such. Who in their right mind would go purchase brand new firearms, using his/her name on all the papers, and then turn around and sell them to 'criminals'.

And most importantly. How in the hell would they ever make a profit. They have to buy the guns at the usual rates, and then sell them dirt cheap "street priced" .. They'd never make any money, ever.

Law makers have to start understanding that Guns dont commit crimes, people commit crimes. With, or without weapons. They'll do it reguardless. Gun laws will only stop those who want to legally, safely, and securely own a weapon. People who use guns in crimes don't buy them over the counter.

Heres what I think should be done, and once its done, be left alone forever.

Make ALL handgun and rifle purchases require you go to the local PD and do fingerprint/background checks. I don't care if your trying to buy a .22LR or an XD. I also think you should be required to have an ID card with a specfic tag number when you are purchasing ammo. That way each and every box of ammunition sold legally can be accounted for. That way, even if a 'criminal, or potential criminal' posessed a weapon, they would still not be able to obtain bullets, and if they do obtain them from someone who does have the card, and the ability to purchase ammo, they will be held accountable for whatever actions the person they supplied do.

I know I'm going to recieve some hate over this. But honestly, all of you (most I should say :P) are gun toating, law-following citizens who do their part to protect their family, and property. I believe none of us would have any problems with being required to be a member of some federal database before we can purchase ammo & guns. If you do have a problem with it, then I guess you shouldn't be owning one to begin with :P

First of all to implimit your idea would cost lots and lots of money for one. building any database that the govt uses to store data is never correct, always misused and cost an extremly amount of money to maintain.

second your idea would be a major pain in the ass, buying Ammo from Wal-Mart a public owned company comes with enough problems. don't add anymore burden to us or the stupid people that get jobs at Wal-Mart or anyother dept store, sporting goods stores. .

third. I am an individual. With rights to privacy. Letting the Govt maintain a database on the guns and ammo I purchase goes agains those rights. The Govt does'nt know what I am doing with the x number of rounds I buy, I could shoot 5,000 rounds a month. The gov't don't know if I am shooting them or stockpiling them. The last thing I want is a ATF agent knocking on my door cause I exceded my monthly limit on .223.

I have a better idea if you commit a violent crime with a gun or are in possession of a gun while committing said crime you should not be allowed to walk the streets again.