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Does this change your mind about the NRA?

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:23 PM   #41
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Actually George W. Bush said he would extend the assualt weapons ban, they ALL talk out of both sides of their mouths!
Irking N.R.A., Bush Supports The Ban on Assault Weapons - NYTimes.com
I was not talking about just the AWB but gun rights in general. I am glad that congress did not give him a bill to sign.

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And Reagan supported the inactment of the Brady Bill.

Why I'm for the Brady Bill - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com

Do your research, mbpe912
Yes Regan supported the brady bill. He wanted to make sure that Law Enforcment had the needed time to run NCIC checks. Computers were not around like now. I would think it would take longer.

Reagan also supported a bill making it illegal to carry a gun on your person in CA this was directed to keep the Black Panthers from having guns on them. It wasn't done to affect the rest of us. However they couldn't single them out.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:36 PM   #42
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I was not talking about just the AWB but gun rights in general. I am glad that congress did not give him a bill to sign.


Yes Regan supported the brady bill. He wanted to make sure that Law Enforcment had the needed time to run NCIC checks. Computers were not around like now. I would think it would take longer.

Reagan also supported a bill making it illegal to carry a gun on your person in CA this was directed to keep the Black Panthers from having guns on them. It wasn't done to affect the rest of us. However they couldn't single them out.
But this info is directly contrary to your post before, remember?

"Because I don't recall Reagan, or Bush or Sarah Palin trying to take away guns?"
Yes they did, we just pointed it out to you...

Remember, ANYONE who gets to that position in life owes an awful lot of favors to people, sometimes the wrong people.
They are all out for themselves and their buddies, NEVER forget that!
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:39 PM   #43
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Yes Regan supported the brady bill. He wanted to make sure that Law Enforcment had the needed time to run NCIC checks. Computers were not around like now. I would think it would take longer.
The "Brady check" as the Bradies like to take credit for now is not what the Brady check actually was. The BC was a manual, time and resource intensive background check that would be performed by local law enforcement. It's goal? To never ban you from buying a gun - but oh, you want a gun? You'll just have to wait for the background check to clear. Oh, it's been a month? Well, we just need two more weeks. We just need three more weeks sir. Just need four more months, sir, we're busy right now, you see - it's for everyone's safety.

The NICS system was really spearheaded by the NRA as a way of saying, if background checks are coming anyway, might as well make them as least prone to abuse as possible (abuse as mentioned above) by making them instantaneous, automated, and able to be done by FFLs themselves without the need to involve law enforcement for each check.

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Reagan also supported a bill making it illegal to carry a gun on your person in CA this was directed to keep the Black Panthers from having guns on them. It wasn't done to affect the rest of us. However they couldn't single them out.
And anti-carry, anti-self defense laws, laws that say you can't have more than 10 rounds in your magazine, laws that ban assault weapons, full auto, etc are all intended to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. But it doesn't; in reality, it disarms law abiding people. Of course, many also want that to happen as well. Trying to disarm Black Panthers isn't a legitimate excuse.

We have to call a spade a spade here. If Reagan screwed up, fine.

In addition, two other GOP Presidents who have done questionable things:
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In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm

In fact, apparently, at one time Nixon stated that if he could "get away with it," he'd require EVERY firearm in the US to be registered. And we all know the issues Nixon had with power... it's no coincidence he feared guns in the hands of an otherwise free people. Gun control is rarely ever about crime.


Actually, if I remember correctly, I believe even GWB stated he'd sign a renewal of the AWB if it "crossed his desk," or something to that effect, back when he was elected the first time. Luckily, his administration decided not to pursue it.

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Well I will admit you got me on the GWB and RR then.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:49 PM   #45
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Ok so I have been an NRA member in the past. At one time I though about becoming a Life time member. Not anymore, they are IMHO out of control.
The only lobby group I've ever seen that was even remotely coherent is a local one.

Utah Shooting Sports Council main page- legislative and other news; links, contact information

The NRA is an enemy to all liberty.

Second Amendment Foundation is no better as they try to appeal to the collectivists and disarmers with comforting/placations rather than standing for what's right.

The Second Amendment protects my right to own and train in the use of swords, fully automatic grenade launchers and bomber planes. It's arms not guns.

Pretty much, the only thing COTUS doesn't protect is submarines 'cause the Navy's reserved to the feds.

The point of the 2A was to obviate the army. It was widely believed, at the time of the Bill of Rights' debate and ratification, that a standing army was the chief-most enemy of liberty.

Now most of us like our military might and understandably so. But you have to admit there's merit to the idea that army and popular armament can't coexist because of how many folks argue that you don't need a gun 'cause that's what the cops & military exist for.

Because the army exists, the spirit of the second amendment has been violated. Because the NFA36, GCA68, FOPA86 all exist and the AWB94 has existed, the letter has been violated, too.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:56 AM   #46
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The "Brady check" as the Bradies like to take credit for now is not what the Brady check actually was. The BC was a manual, time and resource intensive background check that would be performed by local law enforcement. It's goal? To never ban you from buying a gun - but oh, you want a gun? You'll just have to wait for the background check to clear. Oh, it's been a month? Well, we just need two more weeks. We just need three more weeks sir. Just need four more months, sir, we're busy right now, you see - it's for everyone's safety.

The NICS system was really spearheaded by the NRA as a way of saying, if background checks are coming anyway, might as well make them as least prone to abuse as possible (abuse as mentioned above) by making them instantaneous, automated, and able to be done by FFLs themselves without the need to involve law enforcement for each check.



And anti-carry, anti-self defense laws, laws that say you can't have more than 10 rounds in your magazine, laws that ban assault weapons, full auto, etc are all intended to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. But it doesn't; in reality, it disarms law abiding people. Of course, many also want that to happen as well. Trying to disarm Black Panthers isn't a legitimate excuse.

We have to call a spade a spade here. If Reagan screwed up, fine.

In addition, two other GOP Presidents who have done questionable things:

http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm

In fact, apparently, at one time Nixon stated that if he could "get away with it," he'd require EVERY firearm in the US to be registered. And we all know the issues Nixon had with power... it's no coincidence he feared guns in the hands of an otherwise free people. Gun control is rarely ever about crime.


Actually, if I remember correctly, I believe even GWB stated he'd sign a renewal of the AWB if it "crossed his desk," or something to that effect, back when he was elected the first time. Luckily, his administration decided not to pursue it.

bush never said persue anything he said that he felt it wasn't his place as president to vetoe that bill and he would sign it if the people of the USA put enough votes into office to pass it.

I think it made hima wimp, but he was doing what he felt was morally correct. He was just wrong.
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:39 AM   #47
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I feel we need to support the NRA with our yearly dues. I've repeatedly sent emails about the waste of resources in the constant mailings with no answersing correspondence. I told them if you want extra money, have more gun raffles. I'm a sucker for gun raffles because I've been very lucky with them at DU and PF banquets. They don't have a problem spending the money on TV shows and sending their top people to Africa for a hunt trip.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:40 AM   #48
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Here I thought you were a recycler? HAHAHAH Actually, if you ask them to remove you from their mail list, and keep your address private, they do a fairly good job.

I like Gun Owners of America. They're pretty fervent in their efforts, but I am an ACTIVE, and PARTICIPATING member of the Virginia Citizen's Defense League! They are the ones who are keep Virginia from going to a system like D.C.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:03 AM   #49
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I agree. I don't trust the NRA. They give away rights in the name of "reasonableness" and bargain as if they represent their members best interest, when in my opinion they don't.
Judas goat is a term I think works for them, if I am not choosing to be polite :/
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Come on guys, who needs a fully automatic rifle? None of my friends have one nor need full automatics. What this guy said is fully within the NRA guidelines. Nobody in their right mind would go hunting with a full automatic, or use one for self defense. And as for even owning one, what the hell would you do with it, nothing leagally except shoot it once a year out in your back yard shooting over $100 in ammo. If you want to own one then jump through the hoops and prove you have need for one if you can. If you can't hunt with a bolt action or a semi automatic then you are not a hunter. I thought when the NRA backed owning AK's and AR's they were going over the top. Now some of you want fully automatics? What are you planning to do, start a war? Get real, if you need one for self defense then you are running with the wrong crowd.
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