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Does this change your mind about the NRA?

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Old 01-11-2010, 12:26 PM   #31
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Whether I agree with them on every issue doesn't bother me. They are fighting for my 2nd Amendment rights and they are the most powerful organization to do so. However, they are not the only organization to do so and I support several.
It amazes me how many people can't or don't want to understand what you've just stated.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:31 PM   #32
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Wow. Interesting vid. Maybe, just maybe, his press response to his comment on assault weapons justifies it. I still don't think so though. It sounds like he wants Assault Rifles, and even civilian versions to only be available to the government. Then his comment about magazines is ridiculous and he doesn't even attempt to back peddle on that issue. It sounds like he truly believes magazines should be limited to five rounds.


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Come on guys, who needs a fully automatic rifle? None of my friends have one nor need full automatics. What this guy said is fully within the NRA guidelines. Nobody in their right mind would go hunting with a full automatic, or use one for self defense. And as for even owning one, what the hell would you do with it, nothing leagally except shoot it once a year out in your back yard shooting over $100 in ammo. If you want to own one then jump through the hoops and prove you have need for one if you can. If you can't hunt with a bolt action or a semi automatic then you are not a hunter. I thought when the NRA backed owning AK's and AR's they were going over the top. Now some of you want fully automatics? What are you planning to do, start a war? Get real, if you need one for self defense then you are running with the wrong crowd.
Really? Wow. If I am a law abiding citizen there should be no reason I can't own a machine gun. If I want to shoot it everyday and spend $100 in ammo each time or once a year that is my prerogative and I don't need the government telling me what I can or can't do.

Let's take this to another realm, vehicles. How many home owners own pickup trucks that don't really need one. Sure it's nice to have for the projects here and there, but you're not fully utilizing it everyday like a contractor. Should the government tell them they can't have a pickup and they need to get a more environmentally friendly car and just rent a pickup when they need it? NO!

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Is there a government overthrow group in here that I don't know about?
No, but you have to remember why we have a constitution in the first place. If you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it.

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Not to be an apologist, but with all the various people that come and go within the NRA, there are bound to be some questionable people. However, I do not feel this is necessarily representative of the NRA as a whole.

Whatever the case, the fact is that the NRA (or more specifically, the NRA-ILA) has significant influence to try to preserve and ensure the 2A in a lot of areas. Are they perfect? No, absolutely not. But compared to NOT having the NRA, I'd much rather have and support the NRA.

The NRA itself has also significantly expanded education and training, allowing MANY more law-abiding Americans to safely learn about and own guns. That in and of itself is worth a lot.

Sometimes I feel like some people just are desperate for the smallest reason to immediately write off and demonize the NRA. I really don't understand that. Again, they're not perfect, but they're the home team. Other organizations like the GOA, JPFO, etc might be "better," but they lack the influence and size the NRA has.

Should the NRA support making full auto easier to own for the law abiding citizen? Sure - but think about all the issues that affect law abiding gun owners right now, and then remember that we all have to choose our battles. I'd rather see shall issue passed in may issue areas, and areas that are no issue - like Illinois and Wisconsin. I'd also like to see castle doctrine in every state, and silly carry restrictions in states that do have carry - like not being able to carry any knife you wish, not being able to carry non-knife and non-firearm weapons even with a permit to carry a firearm, etc. And beyond all this, the continual fight to hold on to what we've got right now.
Very good points. I'm leaning towards not renewing my memberships with the NRA for the OP reason, and the fact I'm tired of being begged for money all the time. We also have to think where we'd be without the NRA though. They have done a lot for us and through their educational programs they are bringing a lot of people to the sport each year to strengthen our cause.

I think if we could get enough people behind some of the issues to join GOA they might have a fighting chance, but we're talking several years here, probably decades.

I can't look right now, but is Joaquin Jackson still on the board? This video appears to be old and I found a 2009 list that doesn't have his name on it. This might be a moot issue.
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I haven't joined simply because I've read LOTS of negative reports of the volume of junk mail from them and their affiliates.
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Old 01-11-2010, 01:00 PM   #34
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They are the only game in town if you expect to have the right to own firearms in the future. Support them with all the funds you can afford.
I can completely understand where you are coming from, but if they support ANY legislation/candidates against gun freedom, then you are crapping where you eat....JMO

Second, do you vote for any politician that has done great things for your country/state/municipality, that does not support 2nd Amendendment freedoms, but has helped your business, family, or friends?
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Old 01-11-2010, 01:01 PM   #35
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Does this change your mind about the NRA?

No it doesn't. Until a stronger voice for Second Amendment freedom comes along, I will support the NRA...Period.
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:27 PM   #37
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I personally decided not to join unless I can afford a lifetime membership because only lifetime members can vote on the board members.

I also don't like that the NRA is almost an arm of the Republican party. I am a Dem, but in my area, the only trouble the Castle Doctrine had passing was that one Dem representative didn't think it gave the gun-toting homeowner enough protection. We also have a Dem Attorney General who has worked very hard on getting better reciprocity for our state. Why does everyone treat the idea of a gun-owning liberal as an oxymoron? I have just as much of a chance to meet some stupid methmouth as everyone else and have just as much to lose.
Because I don't recall Reagan, or Bush or Sarah Palin trying to take away guns? Do you recall Reagan making "Assault Weapons" and high capacity mag illegal? Have you ever heard Sarah say she doesn't support CC? Or did people like Clinton make and impose a band that limited High capacity?

Most liberals think that we shouldn't have guns. Yet they own a couple to protect themselves.

NRA the political arm for the Republican party? That is laughable, they have given great rating to many Democratic party members. To be honest they can be what ever wing they want to be they don't represent me. I am not a republican either, I am a Conservative, period. As long as the Republican party has Rhino's like Lindsey graham ,Governor Schwarzenegger , and Mc Cain I won't be a member. I hope the NRA changes for the better.

Also all NRA members should be able to vote for board members. The problem with the NRA is they are way to big, they are trying to appeal to everyone. When you do this is are set for failure.
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Wow. Interesting vid. Maybe, just maybe, his press response to his comment on assault weapons justifies it. I still don't think so though. It sounds like he wants Assault Rifles, and even civilian versions to only be available to the government. Then his comment about magazines is ridiculous and he doesn't even attempt to back peddle on that issue. It sounds like he truly believes magazines should be limited to five rounds.

...snip...
Is he still on the board? I heard about this guy a long time ago, that video was Aug 2007. I figured he would have been voted out by now.
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Because I don't recall Reagan, or Bush or Sarah Palin trying to take away guns? Do you recall Reagan making "Assault Weapons" and high capacity mag illegal? Have you ever heard Sarah say she doesn't support CC? Or did people like Clinton make and impose a band that limited High capacity?

Most liberals think that we shouldn't have guns. Yet they own a couple to protect themselves.

NRA the political arm for the Republican party? That is laughable, they have given great rating to many Democratic party members. To be honest they can be what ever wing they want to be they don't represent me. I am not a republican either, I am a Conservative, period. As long as the Republican party has Rhino's like Lindsey graham ,Governor Schwarzenegger , and Mc Cain I won't be a member. I hope the NRA changes for the better.

Also all NRA members should be able to vote for board members. The problem with the NRA is they are way to big, they are trying to appeal to everyone. When you do this is are set for failure.
Actually George W. Bush said he would extend the assualt weapons ban, they ALL talk out of both sides of their mouths!
Irking N.R.A., Bush Supports The Ban on Assault Weapons - NYTimes.com
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And Reagan supported the inactment of the Brady Bill.

Why I'm for the Brady Bill - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com

Do your research, mbpe912
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