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Does this change your mind about the NRA?

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Old 01-11-2010, 09:35 AM   #21
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Not to be an apologist, but with all the various people that come and go within the NRA, there are bound to be some questionable people. However, I do not feel this is necessarily representative of the NRA as a whole.

Whatever the case, the fact is that the NRA (or more specifically, the NRA-ILA) has significant influence to try to preserve and ensure the 2A in a lot of areas. Are they perfect? No, absolutely not. But compared to NOT having the NRA, I'd much rather have and support the NRA.

The NRA itself has also significantly expanded education and training, allowing MANY more law-abiding Americans to safely learn about and own guns. That in and of itself is worth a lot.

Sometimes I feel like some people just are desperate for the smallest reason to immediately write off and demonize the NRA. I really don't understand that. Again, they're not perfect, but they're the home team. Other organizations like the GOA, JPFO, etc might be "better," but they lack the influence and size the NRA has.

Should the NRA support making full auto easier to own for the law abiding citizen? Sure - but think about all the issues that affect law abiding gun owners right now, and then remember that we all have to choose our battles. I'd rather see shall issue passed in may issue areas, and areas that are no issue - like Illinois and Wisconsin. I'd also like to see castle doctrine in every state, and silly carry restrictions in states that do have carry - like not being able to carry any knife you wish, not being able to carry non-knife and non-firearm weapons even with a permit to carry a firearm, etc. And beyond all this, the continual fight to hold on to what we've got right now.

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How about a rocket launcher, do you want one of those in case an airplane attacks you?
Come on man - are you comparing destructive devices with firearms? I guess now I'll just wait for the inevitable and eternally silly nuclear bomb comparison.

I think you were the one in a thread a while back as well who was anti-gun. Respectfully, may I ask why you're here? Do you even like guns? I mean, you're free to join and participate of course, but... we do use logic and facts here, so trying to troll won't work.

As politically incorrect as it may seem, the 2A does not list a reason to own a gun. It only recognizes the right to own and bear a firearm. I don't need to explain to anyone "why" I would own a firearm. If I have no ill intent, it doesn't matter why.
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I'd like to suggest that we stop feeding the Troll at this point. As the Troll is fully aware, this is a board fully dedicated to firearms freedoms and 2A. Knowing this, why let him both start and fan the fire? Trolls get hungry and leave when they are not fed and cared for properly.
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I work with some frontline NRA folks, and like any corporation the NRA boards are filled with whomever are voted ON the board, so next time? Skip this joker... Seriously. If you don't like him? VOTE HIM OUT! Plus, how can he have a leg to stand on with TED NUGENT on the same board!

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:09 AM   #24
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Come on guys, who needs a fully automatic rifle? None of my friends have one nor need full automatics. What this guy said is fully within the NRA guidelines. Nobody in their right mind would go hunting with a full automatic, or use one for self defense. And as for even owning one, what the hell would you do with it, nothing leagally except shoot it once a year out in your back yard shooting over $100 in ammo. If you want to own one then jump through the hoops and prove you have need for one if you can. If you can't hunt with a bolt action or a semi automatic then you are not a hunter. I thought when the NRA backed owning AK's and AR's they were going over the top. Now some of you want fully automatics? What are you planning to do, start a war? Get real, if you need one for self defense then you are running with the wrong crowd.
What we might want them more is not of your concern, This is a gun site, don't like them go to tree huger talk. I might not won't one but I should be allowed to own one. I do at least 1 AR with those evil 30 rd mags!!!

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How about a rocket launcher, do you want one of those in case an airplane attacks you?
That would be a destructive device, but it would be cool!
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Is there a government overthrow group in here that I don't know about?
Like were going to answer that ? to a spy for Obama.
[quote=paul34;2308433]Not to be an apologist, but with all the various people that come and go within the NRA, there are bound to be some questionable people. However, I do not feel this is necessarily representative of the NRA as a whole.

Whatever the case, the fact is that the NRA (or more specifically, the NRA-ILA) has significant influence to try to preserve and ensure the 2A in a lot of areas. Are they perfect? No, absolutely not. But compared to NOT having the NRA, I'd much rather have and support the NRA.

The NRA itself has also significantly expanded education and training, allowing MANY more law-abiding Americans to safely learn about and own guns. That in and of itself is worth a lot.

Sometimes I feel like some people just are desperate for the smallest reason to immediately write off and demonize the NRA. I really don't understand that. Again, they're not perfect, but they're the home team. Other organizations like the GOA, JPFO, etc might be "better," but they lack the influence and size the NRA has.

Should the NRA support making full auto easier to own for the law abiding citizen? Sure - but think about all the issues that affect law abiding gun owners right now, and then remember that we all have to choose our battles. I'd rather see shall issue passed in may issue areas, and areas that are no issue - like Illinois and Wisconsin. I'd also like to see castle doctrine in every state, and silly carry restrictions in states that do have carry - like not being able to carry any knife you wish, not being able to carry non-knife and non-firearm weapons even with a permit to carry a firearm, etc. And beyond all this, the continual fight to hold on to what we've got right now.

Should they foucus on it? most likely not. However they should not be speaking out against it either.


Come on man - are you comparing destructive devices with firearms? I guess now I'll just wait for the inevitable and eternally silly nuclear bomb comparison.

I think you were the one in a thread a while back as well who was anti-gun. Respectfully, may I ask why you're here? Do you even like guns? I mean, you're free to join and participate of course, but... we do use logic and facts here, so trying to troll won't work.

As politically incorrect as it may seem, the 2A does not list a reason to own a gun. It only recognizes the right to own and bear a firearm. I don't need to explain to anyone "why" I would own a firearm. If I have no ill intent, it doesn't matter why.[/quote]
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They are the only game in town if you expect to have the right to own firearms in the future. Support them with all the funds you can afford.
No there are other guys in town and if only 1/4 of NRA members would support them they would have some power.
The problem with the NRA is they are to big and moderate. They are making more deals that Senator Nelson.
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Whether I agree with them on every issue doesn't bother me. They are fighting for my 2nd Amendment rights and they are the most powerful organization to do so. However, they are not the only organization to do so and I support several.
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I personally decided not to join unless I can afford a lifetime membership because only lifetime members can vote on the board members.

I also don't like that the NRA is almost an arm of the Republican party. I am a Dem, but in my area, the only trouble the Castle Doctrine had passing was that one Dem representative didn't think it gave the gun-toting homeowner enough protection. We also have a Dem Attorney General who has worked very hard on getting better reciprocity for our state. Why does everyone treat the idea of a gun-owning liberal as an oxymoron? I have just as much of a chance to meet some stupid methmouth as everyone else and have just as much to lose.
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Come on guys, who needs a fully automatic rifle? None of my friends have one nor need full automatics. What this guy said is fully within the NRA guidelines. Nobody in their right mind would go hunting with a full automatic, or use one for self defense. And as for even owning one, what the hell would you do with it, nothing leagally except shoot it once a year out in your back yard shooting over $100 in ammo. If you want to own one then jump through the hoops and prove you have need for one if you can. If you can't hunt with a bolt action or a semi automatic then you are not a hunter. I thought when the NRA backed owning AK's and AR's they were going over the top. Now some of you want fully automatics? What are you planning to do, start a war? Get real, if you need one for self defense then you are running with the wrong crowd.
you do realize hunting isn't everything right? IE riots, you need lots of ammo in SMALL guns to survive. You need tons of magazines to survive.You need it in a shot compact system. (so sorry Brady but your claims about us having a phallic complex is not real, were going for smaller but ok) I think full auto in most weapons is a waste, in an M16 its good for one thing, hold it sideways and use suppressive fire. However in an MP5/UMC its very useful. an UZI is controllable as well. Scorpions/P90s are great self defense CQB tools even smaller statue woman can use them. You do realize if the bad guys can import cocain they can import guns right? So if you make a gun cheaper to get illegally than it is to get it legally its not going to be a weapon of choice for criminals.

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How about a rocket launcher, do you want one of those in case an airplane attacks you?
Umm no, I want no airplanes to be able to attack me. As in a blatant forbidding under the penalty of death for using any air combat craft inside the united states against anything but airplanes. Unless the mainland of the USA is attacked even if we have a tank running loose I'd be hesitant to ok an F14 attack in this country. (there are tanks in the USA ie on a military base and a couple of T72s in hollywood that are operational)

A rocket launcher is not an individual weapon but a crew serve, so its a different category. Much like a 240 Bravo, M2 Machine gun, and aMark 19 (those are my babies) they are issued to a fireteam/platoon and should not be available to an individual person. Only weapon I'm not sure about is the 249 but technically its a two man weapon due to one carrying the ammo, but only takes one ever to use. I think we should be able to get a license for grenades actually. Also I think there are zero weapons the police should be allowed that the individual are not. They can get around stuff through superior manpower they don't need superior weaponry. They don't need breaching rounds, they can use a ram. They need flashbangs? Ok, so do I for a gang style assault on my home. I also think the military under penalty of death should not be allowed to bring anything to bear upon the citizens of the USA that is not allowed for the citizens. IE riots, no using tanks, flamethrowers, chain feds, gattling guns, tracks and so on. They can get by just fine with bullet proof HUMVEES and M16s.

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Is there a government overthrow group in here that I don't know about?
Every day of this country there has been a revolution group one step away from fruition. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect the others from the GOVERNMENT if they are ever overrun. So if we ever act like China we would revolt, as of now the government is not doing that so were good. Instead we're voting ourselves out of our freedoms which I guess technically is allowable by the founding fathers who intended us to be able to change our government sad though it may be.
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