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jdavionic · 02-26-2006, 07:12 AM

Situation#1 - Lots of details would dictate exactly how it would go down, but I would pull a gun and shoot to kill. The BG has already conveyed your life is in danger by brandishing a deadly weapon and using it in an attempted armed robbery. No Rambo mentality here either. I fully recognize that I might get severely cut or stabbed. But as the other gent indicated, you have the same possible outcome even if you do comply. Knife vs. gun, I'll take my chances with the gun.

Situation#2 - I agree with the others. Barracading yourself in and calling 911 is the best option. Unfortunately for me though, my kids have their own rooms. That means, no matter what - I am positioning myself between the threat and them (layout of your home is a big factor here). I would try the suggestion; but I doubt it would work.

Situation #2 would be truly ugly and I'd hope it never happens. I envision me laying down some very significant firepower. Someone will get hurt or killed in the initial assualt (probably me, if they're trained professionals and not some doped up criminals). Given the firepower that I have at my disposal, it's possible that they would try to back off & negotiate. But I think the heat of the moment would make it tough for both parties to do that. Any way you look it, the outcome would be very sad if it were really LEOs.

Jettubby · 02-26-2006, 08:29 AM

In the state of Kentucky you are authorized to use deadly force when:

"You 'believe' (key word) that,
- You are about to be killed
- You are about to be serioiusly injured
- You are about to be kidnapped
- You are about to be raped

There is obviously some reason to this as if a cop is arresting you in your home and you shoot him then, well, you are stupid.

jdavionic · 02-26-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jettubby

There is obviously some reason to this as if a cop is arresting you in your home and you shoot him then, well, you are stupid.

I don't think this sentence came out exactly the way you meant it.

AV8R · 02-26-2006, 09:55 AM

Situation 1: Being aware of your surroundings would hopefully give you an extra second or two to defend yourself. If they are already upon you with a weapon drawn, then you'll either have to comply, draw (really fast), or distract and defend. Personally, I would appear to comply, look to the side and yell "watch out!", then side-step, draw, and shoot.

Complying doesn't seem to be a good choice because a group of people like that will likely shoot you after you give them what they want.

Situation 2: Hopefully I would be able to think quick and yell, "I'm ARMED! GET BACK, I'M ARMED!" If they were cops, they will assume a defensive role. If they are bad guys, they will either flee or continue... either way, I'm ready.

Situation 2 is a pretty scary scenario. Something to think about.

021411 · 02-26-2006, 10:14 AM

Just playing devil's advocate here..something to think about I guess.

Do you guys really think you are that fast to draw a gun and fire when someone else is close to you with their knife out or a gun? Most of use compete and carry (me) and we can get our guns out relatively fast. Some don't compete or practice with what they carry.
Try this. Get your gun and triple check to make sure it's unloaded. Conceal it as you would. Have a friend hold you up with a dull object to simulate a knife. See how fast you can draw and dryfire the weapon and see if he actually cuts you before you draw. Same with a gun..

justgotback · 02-26-2006, 06:09 PM

All of the replies thus far have been great ones. I'll put my spin on it. When I am out, I am usually with my wife and 3 year old daughter. If someone pulls a knife on us while I'm out, my first thought is I am going to do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of my child and wife. That means pulling my weapon (my new XD 45) and eliminating the threat. Never mess with a man's family. Never! I wouldn't hesitate a fraction of a second.

As far as the second scenario. I too have thought about this situation. I'm afraid I would probably fire at anyone entering my house by force. If they say "police", well that is just a very tough call. It would be one of those things where the "situation would dictate"....

jednp · 02-26-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 021411

Just playing devil's advocate here..something to think about I guess.

Do you guys really think you are that fast to draw a gun and fire when someone else is close to you with their knife out or a gun? Most of use compete and carry (me) and we can get our guns out relatively fast. Some don't compete or practice with what they carry.
Try this. Get your gun and triple check to make sure it's unloaded. Conceal it as you would. Have a friend hold you up with a dull object to simulate a knife. See how fast you can draw and dryfire the weapon and see if he actually cuts you before you draw. Same with a gun..

If you are going to do that, check, double check, and double check again.. Also getting one of those rod things they make that go in the barrel that can only be inserted from the chamber end. I know a cop who got shot and killed in a training incident right inside the state patrol training room doing something like this.

Oni · 02-26-2006, 07:03 PM

The possibility of you getting cut is not only contingent on how fast the knife wielder is. There are other factors like how fast can you dodge, what are your surroundings, where is/how close is the attacker, where is your firearm concealed, how fast can you draw, how good is your aim, ect ect ect.

**einheit 13** · 02-26-2006, 07:33 PM

Sit 1: i keep my pistol in the small of my back above my wallet, depending on how many guns there are, I would draw. Point shooting is very effective and I have the confidence and skill. one gun and two knives, I'd draw while retreating slowly as if i'm getting my wallet.

2 guns, they get my wallet as I'm retreating.

Sit 2. Barricade, first one to try to break in would get warning shots. that would put them on the defense. Alot of commotion, early hours-I never heard them say "police".

east_stingray · 02-26-2006, 08:06 PM

As far as being fast enough to not get cut, I think you're missing an important point. Even if he DOES get me once with the knife, chances are I'll live through that. Even if he gets me twice with the knife, I'll probably still live through that with quick medical treatment. If I just stand there and let him keep stabbing me, I can guarantee you that I WONT survive that. If he gets me once or twice, I shoot him in the face, and my family is safe, I think I'll call that a win for the good guys while I'm sitting in one of those adjustable hospital beds eating nasty food. Come to think of it, if I bleed to death on the sidewalk but my wife and daughter (not married and don't have kids, just hypothetical) are ok, that's STILL a win in my book. I'm an EMT and I've transported a few knifing victims, and they're usually in a lot of pain, but we haven't lost one yet.

Now, if they've got a gun, that's another story. However, if you carry your piece back by your wallet, it seems like it'd be pretty smooth to pull it and try and knock him off balance long enough to shoot him. I've also heard of people reaching over and grabbing the cylinder of a revolver. If it's not already cocked, it won't fire without the cylinder turning. I think I read a story about a cop saving his own life this way. Some things to think about.

02-26-2006, 08:29 AM	#12
Jettubby XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 2,035	In the state of Kentucky you are authorized to use deadly force when: "You 'believe' (key word) that, - You are about to be killed - You are about to be serioiusly injured - You are about to be kidnapped - You are about to be raped There is obviously some reason to this as if a cop is arresting you in your home and you shoot him then, well, you are stupid. __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln And Jesus said, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” (Luke, 22:36)

02-26-2006, 09:55 AM	#14
AV8R XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Georgia Posts: 207	Situation 1: Being aware of your surroundings would hopefully give you an extra second or two to defend yourself. If they are already upon you with a weapon drawn, then you'll either have to comply, draw (really fast), or distract and defend. Personally, I would appear to comply, look to the side and yell "watch out!", then side-step, draw, and shoot. Complying doesn't seem to be a good choice because a group of people like that will likely shoot you after you give them what they want. Situation 2: Hopefully I would be able to think quick and yell, "I'm ARMED! GET BACK, I'M ARMED!" If they were cops, they will assume a defensive role. If they are bad guys, they will either flee or continue... either way, I'm ready. Situation 2 is a pretty scary scenario. Something to think about. __________________ GerogiaCarry.org

02-26-2006, 10:14 AM	#15
021411 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,019	Just playing devil's advocate here..something to think about I guess. Do you guys really think you are that fast to draw a gun and fire when someone else is close to you with their knife out or a gun? Most of use compete and carry (me) and we can get our guns out relatively fast. Some don't compete or practice with what they carry. Try this. Get your gun and triple check to make sure it's unloaded. Conceal it as you would. Have a friend hold you up with a dull object to simulate a knife. See how fast you can draw and dryfire the weapon and see if he actually cuts you before you draw. Same with a gun.. __________________ XD40 : Custom SA 1911 Springer Precision TX XD Practical Shooters Association

02-26-2006, 06:09 PM	#16
justgotback XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 11,705	All of the replies thus far have been great ones. I'll put my spin on it. When I am out, I am usually with my wife and 3 year old daughter. If someone pulls a knife on us while I'm out, my first thought is I am going to do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of my child and wife. That means pulling my weapon (my new XD 45) and eliminating the threat. Never mess with a man's family. Never! I wouldn't hesitate a fraction of a second. As far as the second scenario. I too have thought about this situation. I'm afraid I would probably fire at anyone entering my house by force. If they say "police", well that is just a very tough call. It would be one of those things where the "situation would dictate".... __________________ Just say NO to Obama! “Just because you have an individual right, does not mean that the state or local government cannot constrain the exercise of that right.” Barack Obama on the 2nd amendment A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3

02-26-2006, 07:03 PM	#18
Oni XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,544	The possibility of you getting cut is not only contingent on how fast the knife wielder is. There are other factors like how fast can you dodge, what are your surroundings, where is/how close is the attacker, where is your firearm concealed, how fast can you draw, how good is your aim, ect ect ect. __________________ I came here for only 1 thing and you mother f-uckers did nothing but lie and instill me with false hope. F-uck off.

02-26-2006, 07:12 AM	#11
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	Situation#1 - Lots of details would dictate exactly how it would go down, but I would pull a gun and shoot to kill. The BG has already conveyed your life is in danger by brandishing a deadly weapon and using it in an attempted armed robbery. No Rambo mentality here either. I fully recognize that I might get severely cut or stabbed. But as the other gent indicated, you have the same possible outcome even if you do comply. Knife vs. gun, I'll take my chances with the gun. Situation#2 - I agree with the others. Barracading yourself in and calling 911 is the best option. Unfortunately for me though, my kids have their own rooms. That means, no matter what - I am positioning myself between the threat and them (layout of your home is a big factor here). I would try the suggestion; but I doubt it would work. Situation #2 would be truly ugly and I'd hope it never happens. I envision me laying down some very significant firepower. Someone will get hurt or killed in the initial assualt (probably me, if they're trained professionals and not some doped up criminals). Given the firepower that I have at my disposal, it's possible that they would try to back off & negotiate. But I think the heat of the moment would make it tough for both parties to do that. Any way you look it, the outcome would be very sad if it were really LEOs.

02-26-2006, 07:33 PM	#19
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,856	Sit 1: i keep my pistol in the small of my back above my wallet, depending on how many guns there are, I would draw. Point shooting is very effective and I have the confidence and skill. one gun and two knives, I'd draw while retreating slowly as if i'm getting my wallet. 2 guns, they get my wallet as I'm retreating. Sit 2. Barricade, first one to try to break in would get warning shots. that would put them on the defense. Alot of commotion, early hours-I never heard them say "police". __________________ Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.”

02-26-2006, 08:06 PM	#20
east_stingray XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,285	As far as being fast enough to not get cut, I think you're missing an important point. Even if he DOES get me once with the knife, chances are I'll live through that. Even if he gets me twice with the knife, I'll probably still live through that with quick medical treatment. If I just stand there and let him keep stabbing me, I can guarantee you that I WONT survive that. If he gets me once or twice, I shoot him in the face, and my family is safe, I think I'll call that a win for the good guys while I'm sitting in one of those adjustable hospital beds eating nasty food. Come to think of it, if I bleed to death on the sidewalk but my wife and daughter (not married and don't have kids, just hypothetical) are ok, that's STILL a win in my book. I'm an EMT and I've transported a few knifing victims, and they're usually in a lot of pain, but we haven't lost one yet. Now, if they've got a gun, that's another story. However, if you carry your piece back by your wallet, it seems like it'd be pretty smooth to pull it and try and knock him off balance long enough to shoot him. I've also heard of people reaching over and grabbing the cylinder of a revolver. If it's not already cocked, it won't fire without the cylinder turning. I think I read a story about a cop saving his own life this way. Some things to think about.

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