Smoke medical pot, lose your Second Amendment gun rights?

[VaGunNut]

Originally Posted by Gunner69

I think we went WAY off the original topic which was whether or not a Med. Mar. Card should preclude you from having a CHL. I don't think that the legality of medical marijuana should become the focus of the debate. I side with Sherriff Gordon on this. I also think that if you have a MMC that you should have your DL revoked. No difference in my mind between carrying a gun or driving a car under the influence of drugs (legal or otherwise)or alchohol.

Hummm does that mean if you have a beer in your fridge that you DL should be revoked also?

[Yuppicide]

The story was never about CC while high.

Gunner,

The sherrif is pullin peoples carry license just for having a Med Card, and that stinks.

I doubt the Sheriff is checking peoples medical history for what Scrips they're on, or checking the bars to see if your a "regular", and pulling your CC for being a drunk.



IMO,

You should NOT Carry while high, Drunk, on vic's for back pain, a little loopy on cough medicine cuz you got the sniffles, etc....

BUT -You should be able to CC while going to the dispensary to pick up your Chronic prescription, just like you can CC while you go to the drug store or liquor store.

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[deadsoul]

Originally Posted by Gunner69

Last time I checked every state has DUII laws on the books that do exactly that. Including suspension/revocation for declining a sobriety test.
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There are also laws prohibiting driving while intoxicated, no matter what the intoxicant is. Otherwise it'd be legal to get hopped up on OxyContin and go for a joy ride.
These laws certainly apply to being intoxicated on THC.

A MMU is at one of the 2 dope cafes in Portland with his CHL and weapon. He is baked out of his gourd and goes in to the restroom and does like some members of this board and unholsters and places it in the TP dispenser and then leaves it sitting there after finishing his business. Another patron also baked finds it and not only being unfamiliar with it but having lessened awareness discharges it and kills a passerby on the street. Who gets charged the pothead that pulled the trigger, or the one that left his pistol in the crapper?

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. How is this any different than if alcohol is the intoxicant?
Why is it that you think we can't apply the same laws to firearm use/possession regardless of what substance got you intoxicated? The only difference I see in THC intoxication vs alcohol intoxication is that usually THC makes people goofy, stupid and mellow, and alcohol makes them goofy, stupid and violent.

[SabotageXDm]

A little history.
Why is Marijuana Illegal? - Drug WarRant

[mirage2521]

Originally Posted by Gunner69

Last time I checked every state has DUII laws on the books that do exactly that. Including suspension/revocation for declining a sobriety test.

Let's run a little scenario here...

A MMU is at one of the 2 dope cafes in Portland with his CHL and weapon. He is baked out of his gourd and goes in to the restroom and does like some members of this board and unholsters and places it in the TP dispenser and then leaves it sitting there after finishing his business. Another patron also baked finds it and not only being unfamiliar with it but having lessened awareness discharges it and kills a passerby on the street. Who gets charged the pothead that pulled the trigger, or the one that left his pistol in the crapper?

Just for the sake of argument I'm going to toss up a poll.

I don't think anyone here believes carrying a weapon while impaired in anyway is ok. I think tho point many are making is that simply possessing the pot card is not grounds for losing your CCW and more than possessing beer should be grounds for losing your DL. I car is just as dealy as a gun if under the control of someone impaired. Taking away the CCW of a person for possessing a pot card is not the same as taling it away from someone under the influence.

Tecnically and legally, possessing the pot card does not automatically mean that the person has every touched pot. It simply means under the law that they can if they choose.

[LKB3rd]

If they are using it legally within their state (Federal law has no jurisdiction over pot smoking, no matter what they claim) then it should be treated the same way as prescription drugs or alcohol. No shooting or carrying under the influence. Otherwise, no effect on their status as a gun owner.

[Godless Gun Guy]

New York is looking to pass a medical MJ law. It easily passed the assembly and just needs the senate I believe. I hope it goes through because I have stomach/intestinal issues that may qualify for a MJ script. I have done a lot of research on it and my doc is sympathetic.
It is just kind of dumb that a doc can prescribe opiates, but not herbs.

From my post on another thread.

I won't deny that there is a ton of abuse on the medical MJ front but to deny people who have an honest need because of the frauds punishes the innocent. (Take your gun away because of the gangbangers. ring a bell???)
As far as pulling your permit because you toke, the feds have the right. It isn't right but it is the law and hopefully it will change or become one of those laws no one enforces. I have no problem with sipping a drink while carrying, being high might be another matter. But it should be left up to the individual to prove they can be responsible before they are punished.

[mirage2521]

Originally Posted by Godless Gun Guy

From my post on another thread.

As far as pulling your permit because you toke, the feds have the right. .

What right are you talking about? The feds did not issue my permit or anyone elses that I know of. Please elablorate.