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aiformula · 01-31-2006, 08:35 AM

Another reason you should be able to carry in gov't buildings.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/...ffice_shooting

If the guards can't keep the looneys out or put them down quick, I should be allowed to defend myself.

jednp · 01-31-2006, 08:40 AM

another reason to install metal detectors and search people and guards at govt buildings like that too. how bad can the postal system be to make workers want to do this? I think this is just like the school shootings.. one happens and the rest figure hey... if I'm mad I'm just going to do this because someone else did. Maybe they should raise the price of stamps 10 cents more, then give them raises and they won't go postal?

Soysuperhombre · 01-31-2006, 11:07 AM

Working for the post office must really suck.
I really feel for the victims. Working hard at a job that sucks and then being shot and killed.

**Majk** · 01-31-2006, 11:39 AM

Well my wife's a mail carrier and let me tell you they have some real frickin weirdos that work there.

About 60% of the people bitch about the smallest thing. My wife's only got
7 yrs. in and she's a harder worker than some that have been there for 30 years, so they bitch when my wife always gets picked to do extra mail picking and stuff. They pick her because she actually works for her money. But she's been the subject of no less than a dozen grievances by older workers because they should be allowed to do it even though they are slower.

Her building has no security, I could walk into it if I wanted to. The only security they have is if she is that the supervisor stays until the last carrier is back and then they lock the building, but during the day the back entrances are wide open. I'd love for her to be able to carry, the only thing she can right now is a real small stun gun but even that she's not supposed to carry so we keep it a secret.

Granted that shooting was a processing plant and not at a post office like my wife's but security sucks at all of their buildings.

I guess the processing plants are horrible to work at. Little do most people know that wether it is a processing plant or post office, the management has bonus incentives that they are given for meeting certain goals. Like at the post office it's not about mail delivery it's mostly based on overtime that the workers work. The less overtime the more bonus. At the processing plants its the same the more processes the more bonuses. They piss off allot of workers at the plants because they ride them like mules.

The problem with having armed security is most psycho's are going to take out that threat first and then what line of defense do you have until the police arrive? NOTHING.

aiformula · 01-31-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bryan.tonya

About 60% of the people bitch about the smallest thing. My wife's only got
7 yrs. in and she's a harder worker than some that have been there for 30 years, so they bitch when my wife always gets picked to do extra mail picking and stuff. They pick her because she actually works for her money. But she's been the subject of no less than a dozen grievances by older workers because they should be allowed to do it even though they are slower.

that's just one reason why I will always carry the attitude... "UNIONS SUCK!!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryan.tonya

The problem with having armed security is most psycho's are going to take out that threat first and then what line of defense do you have until the police arrive? NOTHING.

Well, there's also the chance they stop the BG. Their job, if they are armed security is to provide protection and a first line of defense for the workers in the plant. The way I see it is, if they get popped, no offense but that's a bullet or three less that I have to try to dodge. If there is an exchange of gunfire, it's likely on the other side of the wall thus slowing down any bullets headed my way, lessening their effectiveness when striking me. I guess my view is that improving the odds by a little is better than by none.

**Majk** · 01-31-2006, 05:00 PM

Well here in Omaha, NE I don't even believe our guards are even armed. As a $8hr. security guard are you going to try and stop a armed ex-postal worker? Not me.

country85 · 01-31-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aiformula

Another reason you should be able to carry in gov't buildings.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/...ffice_shooting

If the guards can't keep the looneys out or put them down quick, I should be allowed to defend myself.

I am afraid this will only be used by the anti crowd to call for more gun control. Not that any more gun control laws would prevent something like this they will just use it to convince gullible people.

nick19 · 01-31-2006, 07:45 PM

If my memory serves me right, back in 1995? an irate employee at a Hewlett-Packard plant in CA started shooting other workers. Two armed Guards put him down with extreme prejudice.

Armed guards are used as a deterence. I tend to think if a workplace has highly visable armed security even a wako may think twice about starting trouble. It's a whole different story when a wako's intended victems can shoot back.

jdavionic · 01-31-2006, 08:26 PM

$0.41 stamps now? I apologize - that was tacky.

one-eyed-fatman · 01-31-2006, 08:31 PM

List of Some Deadly Post Office Shootings

By The Associated Press
© 2006 The Associated Press

— Some shootings at post offices:

Jan. 30, 2006 _ A female ex-postal worker opens fire at a mail processing plant near Santa Barbara, Calif., killing six people before committing suicide, authorities say.

April 17, 1998 _ Maceo Yarbough III, a 27-year-old letter carrier, fatally shoots a post office clerk in Dallas after they argue in a break room. He is found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity.

Sept. 2, 1997 _ Jesus Antonio Tamayo, a 21-year postal veteran, leaves his counter at a Miami Beach, Fla., post office, gets a gun from his car, walks back in and critically wounds his ex-wife and a friend, who were waiting in line. Tamayo, 64, then goes outside and kills himself.

July 9, 1995 _ Bruce William Clark walks up to his boss in a processing center in City of Industry, Calif., pulls a handgun from a paper bag and shoots him to death. Clark, 58, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced in 1996 to 22 years in prison.

March 21, 1995 _ Christopher Green, 29, a former postal worker burdened with "a mountain of debt," kills four people and wounds another during a holdup at the Montclair, N.J., post office. Green was sentenced to life in prison in September 1995.

May 6, 1993 _ Postal worker Larry Jasion kills one and wounds two at the post office garage in Dearborn, Mich., before killing himself.

May 6, 1993 _ Fired postal employee Mark Richard Hilbun kills his mother, then walks into a post office in the Dana Point community near Los Angeles and shoots two workers, killing one. He was convicted of murder, attempted murder and other felonies and sentenced to life in prison.

Nov. 14, 1991 _ Fired postal worker Thomas McIlvane kills four supervisors and wounds five employees at a post office in Royal Oak, Mich., and then killed himself.

Oct. 11, 1991 _ Joseph M. Harris, a fired postal worker, kills a former supervisor and her boyfriend at their home in Wayne, N.J., then goes to the Ridgewood post office where he kills two mail handlers as they arrive for work. He was sentenced to death and was on death row when he died in 1996 after suffering a seizure in his cell.

Aug. 10, 1989 _ Postal worker John Merlin Taylor of Escondido, Calif., shoots and kills his wife at their home, then drives to the Orange Glen post office, where he shoots and kills two colleagues and wounds another before killing himself.

Aug. 20, 1986 _ Patrick Henry Sherrill, a part-time letter carrier in Edmond, Okla., kills 14 people in the post office there before taking his own life. Sherrill had a history of work problems and faced the possibility of being fired.

01-31-2006, 08:35 AM	#1
aiformula XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sw ohio Posts: 3,116	gone postal... Another reason you should be able to carry in gov't buildings. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/...ffice_shooting If the guards can't keep the looneys out or put them down quick, I should be allowed to defend myself. __________________ Tony Obama '08... change we can bereave in. Guns are like orgasms.......you just can't have enough good ones!

01-31-2006, 11:07 AM	#3
Soysuperhombre XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 351	Working for the post office must really suck. I really feel for the victims. Working hard at a job that sucks and then being shot and killed. __________________ Whats that bulge in her nighty It Must be Hermaphroditie! Hoo HA HA Hermaphorditie!

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nick19 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 356	If my memory serves me right, back in 1995? an irate employee at a Hewlett-Packard plant in CA started shooting other workers. Two armed Guards put him down with extreme prejudice. Armed guards are used as a deterence. I tend to think if a workplace has highly visable armed security even a wako may think twice about starting trouble. It's a whole different story when a wako's intended victems can shoot back. __________________ “Indecision may or may not be my problem.”

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01-31-2006, 08:40 AM	#2
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	another reason to install metal detectors and search people and guards at govt buildings like that too. how bad can the postal system be to make workers want to do this? I think this is just like the school shootings.. one happens and the rest figure hey... if I'm mad I'm just going to do this because someone else did. Maybe they should raise the price of stamps 10 cents more, then give them raises and they won't go postal?

01-31-2006, 11:39 AM	#4
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,715	Well my wife's a mail carrier and let me tell you they have some real frickin weirdos that work there. About 60% of the people bitch about the smallest thing. My wife's only got 7 yrs. in and she's a harder worker than some that have been there for 30 years, so they bitch when my wife always gets picked to do extra mail picking and stuff. They pick her because she actually works for her money. But she's been the subject of no less than a dozen grievances by older workers because they should be allowed to do it even though they are slower. Her building has no security, I could walk into it if I wanted to. The only security they have is if she is that the supervisor stays until the last carrier is back and then they lock the building, but during the day the back entrances are wide open. I'd love for her to be able to carry, the only thing she can right now is a real small stun gun but even that she's not supposed to carry so we keep it a secret. Granted that shooting was a processing plant and not at a post office like my wife's but security sucks at all of their buildings. I guess the processing plants are horrible to work at. Little do most people know that wether it is a processing plant or post office, the management has bonus incentives that they are given for meeting certain goals. Like at the post office it's not about mail delivery it's mostly based on overtime that the workers work. The less overtime the more bonus. At the processing plants its the same the more processes the more bonuses. They piss off allot of workers at the plants because they ride them like mules. The problem with having armed security is most psycho's are going to take out that threat first and then what line of defense do you have until the police arrive? NOTHING.

01-31-2006, 05:00 PM	#6
Majk XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,715	Well here in Omaha, NE I don't even believe our guards are even armed. As a $8hr. security guard are you going to try and stop a armed ex-postal worker? Not me.

01-31-2006, 08:26 PM	#9
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	$0.41 stamps now? I apologize - that was tacky.

01-31-2006, 08:31 PM	#10
one-eyed-fatman XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,484	List of Some Deadly Post Office Shootings By The Associated Press © 2006 The Associated Press — Some shootings at post offices: Jan. 30, 2006 _ A female ex-postal worker opens fire at a mail processing plant near Santa Barbara, Calif., killing six people before committing suicide, authorities say. April 17, 1998 _ Maceo Yarbough III, a 27-year-old letter carrier, fatally shoots a post office clerk in Dallas after they argue in a break room. He is found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity. Sept. 2, 1997 _ Jesus Antonio Tamayo, a 21-year postal veteran, leaves his counter at a Miami Beach, Fla., post office, gets a gun from his car, walks back in and critically wounds his ex-wife and a friend, who were waiting in line. Tamayo, 64, then goes outside and kills himself. July 9, 1995 _ Bruce William Clark walks up to his boss in a processing center in City of Industry, Calif., pulls a handgun from a paper bag and shoots him to death. Clark, 58, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced in 1996 to 22 years in prison. March 21, 1995 _ Christopher Green, 29, a former postal worker burdened with "a mountain of debt," kills four people and wounds another during a holdup at the Montclair, N.J., post office. Green was sentenced to life in prison in September 1995. May 6, 1993 _ Postal worker Larry Jasion kills one and wounds two at the post office garage in Dearborn, Mich., before killing himself. May 6, 1993 _ Fired postal employee Mark Richard Hilbun kills his mother, then walks into a post office in the Dana Point community near Los Angeles and shoots two workers, killing one. He was convicted of murder, attempted murder and other felonies and sentenced to life in prison. Nov. 14, 1991 _ Fired postal worker Thomas McIlvane kills four supervisors and wounds five employees at a post office in Royal Oak, Mich., and then killed himself. Oct. 11, 1991 _ Joseph M. Harris, a fired postal worker, kills a former supervisor and her boyfriend at their home in Wayne, N.J., then goes to the Ridgewood post office where he kills two mail handlers as they arrive for work. He was sentenced to death and was on death row when he died in 1996 after suffering a seizure in his cell. Aug. 10, 1989 _ Postal worker John Merlin Taylor of Escondido, Calif., shoots and kills his wife at their home, then drives to the Orange Glen post office, where he shoots and kills two colleagues and wounds another before killing himself. Aug. 20, 1986 _ Patrick Henry Sherrill, a part-time letter carrier in Edmond, Okla., kills 14 people in the post office there before taking his own life. Sherrill had a history of work problems and faced the possibility of being fired.