I have beaten 3 so far (Pat on the back)

[Brickboy240]

Have you looked a Toyota 4-Runner? It is more of a truck and less of a car, than the Pilot. The Pilot is unibody, not built on a frame like the 4Runner. it also has independent rear suspension - not lovely, if you go off-road very much. You can also get the excellent 4.7 litre I-Force V-8 in the 4Runnner like I have in my Tundra. Also, the 4Runner has an excellent repair record and very high resale value.

You can get a v-6 in the 4Runner, for alot less than the V-8 models, if mileage is a worry with the V-8. My uncle has the V-8 4Runner and it has power in spades.

Sorry to push, but I am sold on Toyota trucks, with this Tundra. We use our trucks out at the family ranch - towing feed, horse trailers and supplies/ATVs all over the place and the Tundra does it without even a whimper.

Honda DOES make an excellent product, don't get me wrong. My ATV is a Honda and I won't buy any other ATVs BUT Hondas, but the Pilot may fall short if you plan on lots of towing or going off-road. Otherwise, its probably a great choice.

Either way, you WILL NOT miss Ford. I surely do not. I do hope that Ford can learn a few things from the Swedes at Volvo, now that they own them.

- Brickboy240

[taxi2you]

I do have one question. How does the BBB "make" anyone do anything? I have had to deal with them in the past and I usually just laugh at them. I invite my crabby customers (not calling you that) to call when they threaten me. I have even looked up the number for them. That being said, my customer base is the general public that wants everything yesterday and for free.

[retired]

XD_DAN, no hijacking of thread by you. Also, I worked for the county. You are right, if they owe you money, it takes forever, if they made a mistake and overpaid you, it's out of your next check.


Brickboy, we don't go off roading. I like the all wheel drive they have due to the safety factor if the wife is driving in the rain. It is nice to know tho that I can drive it on a dirt road (not going up a mt. like a 4x4). Also, we would rather have the smooth ride of car type instead of a truck chassis. I admit Toyotas are very reliable, I personally think they are a bit overpriced also. We didn't like the Highlander, which is the vehicle closest to the Pilot.

taxi2you, I'm guessing since mot dealers make you sign paperwork that you will agree to arbitration if their is a dispute that can't be resolved, they are agreeing to be bound by that arbitration. My paperwork states I can either accept or reject the arbitrator's decision and I can either do nothing, go to small claims if applicable or hire an atty. Ford (and any others must accept the finding; no appeal allowed.

Also, I know of the type of customer you are referring to, but that's not me. I told them from the start that all my wife and I wanted was the problem fixed, we liked the car and we were not demanding anything extraordinary like a repurchase. That was 2 radios, 1 window glass with attenna, continued static, refusal to abide by the arbitrator's decision, 12 months and 20K miles ago. I was still being reasonable in requesting a repurchase after their failure to fix the problem that only seems to exist on MY vehicle. This was our first and last Ford (Well, I would buy the Ford GT if I won the lotto, I guess )

I will update this with a new thread probably in 3-4 weeks (hopefully). Thanks for your comments

[taxi2you]

I agree with you on the "just want it fixed". My machanic says it is more than likely a bad ground. The car is dipped in paint before everything is assembled. Should be nothing a piece of sandpaper cant fix, if you have the Ford "radio removal tool". I had a problem with my A/C on a Ford product that they never would fix right. I found out later that it was my evaporator coil leaking and it takes 8-10 hrs to replace. Last Ford I have personaly owned. But my company has a 2002 Taurus with 300k miles and have only replaced ball joints, another Ford problem. Good luck. Oh yeh, I'm also not a BBB member. You have to pay for their "services".