.223/5.56 and .22LR - one suppressor? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

bluebomberx · 12-09-2005, 09:10 PM

I'm thinking about getting a suppressor for my P-22 and was wondering if I could kill two birds with one stone. Is it possible to get a suppressor that will be compatible with a .223/5.56 AR-15 and .22LR? As some of you may remember, I sold my AR-15 to help my wife and I get the financing we needed for the new house. I'm debating to save up the cash and buy another Bushmaster in the near future, which would be the quickest gratification; or buying a suppressor for my Walther P-22. I would eventually like to have both the AR-15 and the suppressor and for that reason, I'm curious if I can get one suppressor for both weapons since they are near the same caliber. For that matter, I haven't even researched the CLEO in my town. I'm not sure if he will sign any applications I need or not. Any thoughts guys?

-Richie

[TASF]Overkill · 12-10-2005, 05:53 AM

I wondered about that the other day... But....

The .223 derives most of its energy from its speed... So if you're going to "silence" it, you gotta drop down below ~1000 FPS, which is going to take away from the whole point of the .223.

Bigger, slower bullets seem like prime real estate for suppression.

jdavionic · 12-10-2005, 06:27 AM

I have a friend that has experimented extensively with silencers. I think it's possible, but Overkill points out the same thing that this guy told me. I asked about doing the same thing for my AR and he told me that the .223/5.56 just wasn't worth while in suppressing. He did his own reloads and had to drop the speed of the bullet so much that it just didn't perform very well.

JD McDorce · 12-10-2005, 07:23 AM

I've seen theories along the lines that even though a suppressor isn't going to eliminate the "crack" from a supersonic round, it does make it more difficult to identify the source of the shot.

Snake-eater 1 · 12-10-2005, 01:09 PM

The point of a suppressor for rifles is to eliminate the sound of the gases leaving the barrel--that is the signature that gives away location. You will still get a "crack", but it's downrange and doesn't "bother" the shooter at all; you can shoot a suppressed M16 using full power ammo with no ear protection. The point with pistols, and presumably .22 rifles as well, is to eliminate all noise, since the range is "point blank", at least as compared to high power rifles. Since one is dealing with a much larger volume of expelled gas with high power (centerfire) 22s than with 22 long rifle, I'm going to SWAG that the suppressors are designed very differently internally. I'm thinking the a 223 supressor might work reasonably well for a 22 pistol, but a 22 pistol suppressor would be a bust on a centerfire rifle. I can tell you that I know several people that have suppressors for both rifle and pistol, no one tries to make one suppressor handle both--I presume they have a reason for this. I'm sure a manufacturer can answer the question quickly, please let us know what you find out.

baa · 12-10-2005, 02:05 PM

I have the exact same question for the exact same reason- Just picked up a P22 and read that it has the exact same threads as a AR-15, so the same silencer will screw on both weapons.

I was chatting with a buddy of mine who is in the Army SF about silencers on a M-16 and if it did anything useful. He said that a good silencer will seriously cut down the noise of the M-16 as well as almost eliminate the flash. Silencing a M-16 will cut down on effective range.

I am going to contact Gemtech and see the feasibility of using the same silencer with both a Walther P-22 and a AR-15. At this point, I think Snake-eater is probably right in that one would have to buy a silencer designed for the .223 round.

Polymerhead · 12-10-2005, 02:29 PM

I'm jealous. The fine state of MO, which trusts me enough to carry a gun concealed, does not trust me enough to have a silencer. They're illegal here.

TylerDurden · 12-10-2005, 04:05 PM

I remember reading an article in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement that featured a suppressor used for 5.56 and .22 lr. I believe it is called the QD-223, it wasn't a threaded can, it was one of those quick mount/detach types. In the review they used it with some sort of M4 and a modified Ruger pistol (maybe a Mk. II); anyway, not much help for your p22, but there are 5.56/.223 cans that can and are used on .22lr pistols and rifles.

xd4life · 12-10-2005, 04:13 PM

I am going to be up at Advanced Armament this comeing week and can ask David about that. I have my p22 supressed and it is really quiet. I have not ever heard of anyone useing one silencer for many guns. But I am also new to the world of supressed weapons.

Waldo · 12-10-2005, 04:43 PM

I am not sure if you could get one can to fit both but if you have an AR-15 and get a .223 can you can shoot .22 through it and it will work just fine.

You could put a .40 on a 9mm pistol also.

12-09-2005, 09:10 PM	#1
bluebomberx XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 446	.223/5.56 and .22LR - one suppressor? I'm thinking about getting a suppressor for my P-22 and was wondering if I could kill two birds with one stone. Is it possible to get a suppressor that will be compatible with a .223/5.56 AR-15 and .22LR? As some of you may remember, I sold my AR-15 to help my wife and I get the financing we needed for the new house. I'm debating to save up the cash and buy another Bushmaster in the near future, which would be the quickest gratification; or buying a suppressor for my Walther P-22. I would eventually like to have both the AR-15 and the suppressor and for that reason, I'm curious if I can get one suppressor for both weapons since they are near the same caliber. For that matter, I haven't even researched the CLEO in my town. I'm not sure if he will sign any applications I need or not. Any thoughts guys? -Richie

12-10-2005, 05:53 AM	#2
[TASF]Overkill XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lynchburg, VA Posts: 2,446	I wondered about that the other day... But.... The .223 derives most of its energy from its speed... So if you're going to "silence" it, you gotta drop down below ~1000 FPS, which is going to take away from the whole point of the .223. Bigger, slower bullets seem like prime real estate for suppression. __________________ "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors." [Do good always, whether through life or death, love or hate.] "He who relies solely on warlike measures shall be exterminated; he who relies solely on peaceful measures shall perish." Photo thread is back! (Until next disaster)

12-10-2005, 07:23 AM	#4
JD McDorce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Westland, MI Posts: 1,267	I've seen theories along the lines that even though a suppressor isn't going to eliminate the "crack" from a supersonic round, it does make it more difficult to identify the source of the shot. __________________ XD9 Service/XD9 Tactical/XD40 Tactical/XD45ACP Service Colt Series 80 GCNM/Springfield Black Stainless/Browning Hi-Power Practical/SIG P220

12-10-2005, 01:09 PM	#5
Snake-eater 1 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Quinque, VA Posts: 2,653	The point of a suppressor for rifles is to eliminate the sound of the gases leaving the barrel--that is the signature that gives away location. You will still get a "crack", but it's downrange and doesn't "bother" the shooter at all; you can shoot a suppressed M16 using full power ammo with no ear protection. The point with pistols, and presumably .22 rifles as well, is to eliminate all noise, since the range is "point blank", at least as compared to high power rifles. Since one is dealing with a much larger volume of expelled gas with high power (centerfire) 22s than with 22 long rifle, I'm going to SWAG that the suppressors are designed very differently internally. I'm thinking the a 223 supressor might work reasonably well for a 22 pistol, but a 22 pistol suppressor would be a bust on a centerfire rifle. I can tell you that I know several people that have suppressors for both rifle and pistol, no one tries to make one suppressor handle both--I presume they have a reason for this. I'm sure a manufacturer can answer the question quickly, please let us know what you find out. __________________ ----------------------------------------------- "Too soon, old. Too late, smart" anon

12-10-2005, 02:05 PM	#6
baa XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 209	I have the exact same question for the exact same reason- Just picked up a P22 and read that it has the exact same threads as a AR-15, so the same silencer will screw on both weapons. I was chatting with a buddy of mine who is in the Army SF about silencers on a M-16 and if it did anything useful. He said that a good silencer will seriously cut down the noise of the M-16 as well as almost eliminate the flash. Silencing a M-16 will cut down on effective range. I am going to contact Gemtech and see the feasibility of using the same silencer with both a Walther P-22 and a AR-15. At this point, I think Snake-eater is probably right in that one would have to buy a silencer designed for the .223 round. __________________ Baa!

12-10-2005, 06:27 AM	#3
jdavionic XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GA Posts: 5,105	I have a friend that has experimented extensively with silencers. I think it's possible, but Overkill points out the same thing that this guy told me. I asked about doing the same thing for my AR and he told me that the .223/5.56 just wasn't worth while in suppressing. He did his own reloads and had to drop the speed of the bullet so much that it just didn't perform very well.

12-10-2005, 02:29 PM	#7
Polymerhead XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: MO, USA Posts: 1,407	I'm jealous. The fine state of MO, which trusts me enough to carry a gun concealed, does not trust me enough to have a silencer. They're illegal here. __________________ No alarms and no surprises, please.

12-10-2005, 04:05 PM	#8
TylerDurden XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 11	I remember reading an article in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement that featured a suppressor used for 5.56 and .22 lr. I believe it is called the QD-223, it wasn't a threaded can, it was one of those quick mount/detach types. In the review they used it with some sort of M4 and a modified Ruger pistol (maybe a Mk. II); anyway, not much help for your p22, but there are 5.56/.223 cans that can and are used on .22lr pistols and rifles.

12-10-2005, 04:13 PM	#9
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	I am going to be up at Advanced Armament this comeing week and can ask David about that. I have my p22 supressed and it is really quiet. I have not ever heard of anyone useing one silencer for many guns. But I am also new to the world of supressed weapons. __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

12-10-2005, 04:43 PM	#10
Waldo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 1,160	I am not sure if you could get one can to fit both but if you have an AR-15 and get a .223 can you can shoot .22 through it and it will work just fine. You could put a .40 on a 9mm pistol also. __________________ I.C.E. Hotline 866-347-2423 Toll free call to report illegal immigrants

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