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To Laser or Not To Laser

This is a discussion on To Laser or Not To Laser within the XD-S Discussion Room forums, part of the XD Talk category; Originally Posted by BJHxdm3.8 Point shooting may work great, but you still have to have your head behind the gun somewhat to be able to ...


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Old 12-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #31
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Point shooting may work great, but you still have to have your head
behind the gun somewhat to be able to point and hit anything.
Lasers will let you shoot from behind cover with very little exposure
and deliver an accurate shot. I would not rely on a laser as my only
aiming option, but would be very handy in some circumstances.
Not sure I understand what you mean...You mean you can use a laser to shoot from cover while hiding? You still got to put your head out there to see where it is pointing.

Posted some stuff below if you are open minded and willing to try something new.

Point shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AIMED Point Shooting or P&S

I have trained with the instructor in the below video twice...he is amazing. Popping oyster shells on a berm at 60 feet with NO SIGHTS!!!


http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...ss-review.html
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:07 PM   #32
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You don't have to stick your head out as far with a laser
to deliver an accurate as you do to point shoot. The guy point
shooting is still lined up behind the gun. The only difference is he
isn't lowering his head quite as far to use the sights.
Yes, I agree the guy is a pretty good shot, but i would bet their are alot
more shooters that can deliver rounds just as fast using sights.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:29 PM   #33
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I love the laserguard and I know someone who can hook it up cheap too.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #34
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LG-469 on the XD-S

I have one on mine. It's a beautiful custom like fit and works perfectly after testing by putting 200 rds. through. There is nothing wrong with using a laser for concealed carry. The LG-469 is a great supplement for use with the fiber optic sight.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:05 PM   #35
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You don't have to stick your head out as far with a laser
to deliver an accurate as you do to point shoot. The guy point
shooting is still lined up behind the gun. The only difference is he
isn't lowering his head quite as far to use the sights.
Yes, I agree the guy is a pretty good shot, but i would bet their are alot
more shooters that can deliver rounds just as fast using sights.
The guy in the video was a student doing his first training class.

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Old 01-22-2013, 03:48 PM   #36
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Wow, I amazed at the laser hate. I am no expert, and no I have not taken the class, Mirage (but I am interested and will look into it), but I still think the laser is another useful tool in the SD toolkit. If you don't need it, don't turn it on. If you do need it, it better be properly mounted, zeroed and tested thru several hundred rounds of practice (with both hands individually as well as together).

For me, 65 years old with bifocals, I find a laser very helpful, especially in low light situations. At the range, I practice both ways, laser on and off, so I am prepared if it fails. I am a Vietnam combat vet, so this ain't my first rodeo, and I do know which end of the gun to point at the bad guy.

The other advantage I think the laser gives me is situational awareness. Because I do not have to concentrate as much on aiming, I can be more aware of what is going on around me (like a possible second threat?).

Just my opinion that it never hurts to have a fully loaded toolkit, just like a fully loaded weapon.
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Wow, I amazed at the laser hate. I am no expert, and no I have not taken the class, Mirage (but I am interested and will look into it), but I still think the laser is another useful tool in the SD toolkit. If you don't need it, don't turn it on. If you do need it, it better be properly mounted, zeroed and tested thru several hundred rounds of practice (with both hands individually as well as together).

For me, 65 years old with bifocals, I find a laser very helpful, especially in low light situations. At the range, I practice both ways, laser on and off, so I am prepared if it fails. I am a Vietnam combat vet, so this ain't my first rodeo, and I do know which end of the gun to point at the bad guy.

The other advantage I think the laser gives me is situational awareness. Because I do not have to concentrate as much on aiming, I can be more aware of what is going on around me (like a possible second threat?).

Just my opinion that it never hurts to have a fully loaded toolkit, just like a fully loaded weapon.
As I am on my phone I cannot reduce your post to the specific sentence I want to quote. The whole point on the training mentioned is that you leave aiming behind. The only thing you focus on is what you want the bullet to hit. Try this..... got to an outdoor range.....use your laser and try to hit a target while at a fast walk or a trot. Then try it with sights. Then...forget the sights, forget the laser and ONLY look at your target.

You can't use sights or a laser while moving. You cannot defend yourself while standing still. You become a stationary target.

I bet you will do better without sights or laser.

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Old 01-22-2013, 04:11 PM   #38
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None of the ranges around me would allow me to try to walk around while firing my weapon... But that sounds like it would be fun and food practice.
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Funny thing about point shooting is a proper sighted in laser will be on where the bullet will hit. If it's sighted in for 7 yards it will still be within 2 to 4 inches at 20 yards depending on the cal.

Another thing, It is NOT a toy but a real laser and it WILL put an eye out. So please do not use them to fool with your pets, one mistake and you have a blind pet.

I've been point shooting for the better part of 40 years and at my age all my carry guns have a Crimson Trace. If you want one then by all means get one.
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I bought a Lazergaurd for my G27 the day I got the pistiol.

It's not a save all or a cure for bad shooting.

In bright daylight yes they won't work, hence the need for shooting skill.

Heard someone on here say they won't work on a red target... Maybe if your completely blind...

I personally like it because if I'm in bed without my contacts I've got better confidence.

Doing retention drills are easier when you can put a dot on the target instead of guessing.

Give the bad guy a target? Really?! Not an issue with Crimson Trace products and their instinctive activation. Crimson says a lot of the time when they see the red they give up. If not...

So yes they have their uses but no its not a save all!

I'm planning on getting grips on my XDM this summer!

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