is jerking the problem

[darkhunter]

So I was able to take my gun to the range yesterday, I was only able to put 130 rounds through it though, because my gf came with me and it was her first time shooting so she shot like a round per minute because she was really nervous lol, she didn't shoot my xds only my browning 9mm

Anyways I was able to put 100 rounds of federals 230g and 30 rounds of gold dot 230g, flawless, I followed everyones advice like I chambered the first round with the slide release and I held on to the thing like there was no tomorrow lol

I have one problem though and I know its probably me, im shooting extremely low, even up close like 5 yards, im shooting really low, its accurate like all the bullets are going in around the same spot but just 7 inches low

Any thoughts on how to cure this, I read its most likely jerking but I know I held on to that real tight, though it was a little hard because it felt like the gun kept sliding up on my hands, could it be all the recoil because the recoil was a bit more than I was expecting

Thanks for the help

[Helpdesk9]

According to the Catholic Church, yes

Veni, vidi, edi

[3shot]

Originally Posted by helpdesk9

according to the catholic church, yes

veni, vidi, edi

lmfao

[fantastic]

Its probably recoil anticipation. Throw a snapcap in your mag and see if you flinch. Jerking the trigger takes a little more observation.

If you have, or know someone who has, a rail mounted laser sight, you can use that to monitor trigger slapping while dry firing.

[murphy12]

You might try some bench rest shots as well.

[ScottRoof]

My first few magazines were quite low too. It was me.

I am not an expert, but I do pay attention to what I am doing and seek advice from an instructor from time to time. It just so happened that this guy was at the range when I was shooting mine for the first time.

I asked him to take a few shots. He was spot on.

His advice to me? Less strong hand grip pressure. It seems counter-intuituve, but the harder you grip with your strong hand the more likely you are to get a jerk or a flinch when the trigger breaks. Personally, my right hand exerts only moderate force on the grip from front to rear. My 3rd and 4th fingertips are touching the grip but not really squeezing as they wrap around. Same with my right thumb. It is more in a state of rest than doing any real work. The support hand is exerting more overall force but a lot more left to right than front to back. Since the action of working the trigger tends to upset the left/right balance it makes sense to me that the support hand bears the burden of stabilizing the left/right forces.

The second piece of advice he gave... Focus on the front sight - squeeze the trigger slowly - stay focused on the front sight - keep squeezing - keep focused on the sight - and when the gun fires, feel the trigger as it comes to rest all the way at the back of the trigger guard. Hold it there for a second. Do this over and over. Think of it like follow-through with a golf swing or pitching a baseball.

I had a tendency to pull the trigger until the gun went bang and at the bang part everything in my thinking just sort of turned off because there was an explosion. I could not tell you if the trigger came to rest at the end of its travel or not. That meant I was really unaware of what I was actually doing at that critical moment. Becoming aware of the follow-through to where the trigger is all the way back in the guard and cannot go any further started me thinking more in terms of what was actually taking place and how the loud and disruptive bang was really just where the club face meets the ball or where the baseball leaves the hand. Golfers and pitchers work as much on what happens in the follow-through as what happens anywhere else in their process.

Since I started doing this my groups have tightened WAY up. I have only been shooting for a little more than a year. I am not pretending to have it down or trying to take the role of instructor here. Just passing along something that really helped me with the exact same thing.

[Obscura]

Originally Posted by ScottRoof

My first few magazines were quite low too. It was me.

I am not an expert, but I do pay attention to what I am doing and seek advice from an instructor from time to time. It just so happened that this guy was at the range when I was shooting mine for the first time.

I asked him to take a few shots. He was spot on.

His advice to me? Less strong hand grip pressure. It seems counter-intuituve, but the harder you grip with your strong hand the more likely you are to get a jerk or a flinch when the trigger breaks. Personally, my right hand exerts only moderate force on the grip from front to rear. My 3rd and 4th fingertips are touching the grip but not really squeezing as they wrap around. Same with my right thumb. It is more in a state of rest than doing any real work. The support hand is exerting more overall force but a lot more left to right than front to back. Since the action of working the trigger tends to upset the left/right balance it makes sense to me that the support hand bears the burden of stabilizing the left/right forces.

The second piece of advice he gave... Focus on the front sight - squeeze the trigger slowly - stay focused on the front sight - keep squeezing - keep focused on the sight - and when the gun fires, feel the trigger as it comes to rest all the way at the back of the trigger guard. Hold it there for a second. Do this over and over. Think of it like follow-through with a golf swing or pitching a baseball.

I had a tendency to pull the trigger until the gun went bang and at the bang part everything in my thinking just sort of turned off because there was an explosion. I could not tell you if the trigger came to rest at the end of its travel or not. That meant I was really unaware of what I was actually doing at that critical moment. Becoming aware of the follow-through to where the trigger is all the way back in the guard and cannot go any further started me thinking more in terms of what was actually taking place and how the loud and disruptive bang was really just where the club face meets the ball or where the baseball leaves the hand. Golfers and pitchers work as much on what happens in the follow-through as what happens anywhere else in their process.

Since I started doing this my groups have tightened WAY up. I have only been shooting for a little more than a year. I am not pretending to have it down or trying to take the role of instructor here. Just passing along something that really helped me with the exact same thing.

Every bit of that is good advice.

[dcgadams]

Ok here is what i would do. I shoot a compound bow a lot and know that form is everything. No matter how much i shoot the way to start out is to concentrate on your form.

Don't worry about putting the shot in the center just work on your grip and stance and trigger pull. This may take sometime and my suggestion is to use a 22 cal pistol because of the cost involved.

work really hard on a smooth trigger pull and watch the bullet hit the target thru the sights. I know this sounds stupid and you can't really see the bullet hit the target but if you work on trying keeping your concentration on your form and not where the bullet is going it will become habit and then you can dial in your group.

If you perfect it with the small calibers then you can little by little adjust every good habit to your larger caliber. Yours is not bad if you are shooting low and grouping well. This means you drop your hand a little in anticipation of the shot.

once good form is a habit keep doing it every time. If you are having a bad day keep working on your form. Not everyone will shoot well every day but you never want to keep adjusting to meet the way you feel that day it will just break your good habits.

Good luck and remember keep the hand up till the bullet is already thru the target you will be an expert.

[Cuda66]

You're flinching.

Time for some "Ball & Dummy" drills.

Buy some snap caps. Have someone else randomly load in your mags them along with live ammunition...usually one or two (you shouldn't know) per mag, with an occasional mag full of live rounds (or, sometimes an entire mag of snap caps--that'll throw you for a loop).

When you hit a snap cap, you'll see what you are doing. Keep practicing until it goes away in slow fire, then start picking up the pace.

This is not a quick fix. It'll likely take several hundred rounds, and many range sessions, before this goes away.

Dry firing is not the same; since you know you aren't going to have recoil, you won't flinch. When it is loaded with live rounds, you will.

[Obscura]

Originally Posted by Helpdesk9

According to the Catholic Church, yes

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