500 round report

[raygunn]

I reached the 500 round count on my xds tonight.
Out of 500, Ive had 15 failures to feed where as I had to nudge the slide foward for the round to chamber. I also had 6 light strikes, which all fired upon re entry.

Im a little torn because I do like the gun and am very happy with my accuracy with it, but am also getting a little frustrated with the little problems. I would think that after 400 rounds and parts wearing together the gun should be broken in. Tonight on the 100 rounds that went through it, still had about 4 ftf's and 2 light strikes.

Is this acceptable ? Is it normal ??

Gun has been cleaned and lubed after every range session.

Although for the first time, tonight I removed and cleaned the striker. We'll see if this helps. I know its a small number of failures, yet they are still failures and im still carrying my reliable s&w wheel gun for daily carry.

Still trying to love this gun.

[BJHxdm3.8]

Nope, no malfunctions are acceptable in my book.

[3shot]

Ray, Have you had anyone else shoot that pistol?

You already know of everyone's favorite dinner table discussion: limpwristing. You can shoot 400 or 4000 rounds and have battery issues anywhere in between if not handling the firearm correctly. (speaking in general)

400 rounds? Yes, surfaces are mated pretty well. I just can't help but think your's may be a grip issue. Of course IMHO only! Only way to confirm is to ship her out to SA.

On a second topic:

People will now say "what good is a gun that has to be gripped a certain way to fire in life or death?". Well, there is some truth in that. This gun, for whatever reason is whoopin' alot of @$$ around here with lightstrikes. If one just can't make it function 100% for whatever reason excluding a true mechanical failure, it is in their best interest to keep practicing. If that means paying for a true professional (not my best friends cousin who thinks he is)Oh well, money well spent. This is one's life we are talking about. NOT a weekend plinking session with some FTF's. It has to go bang 100%!

Third topic:

XDS is dubbed "first of it's kind"!
Hmmmmm......, any connection to 25 year shooting veterans having light strikes with theirs? I would bet there is some relevance. Some people fall right into the groove of the XDS. I am comfortable in saying the XDS is it's own platform. Some HAVE to break old routines and give the XDS what it needs to fire 100%. That however, is totaly on an individual basis! There are problem guns yes. There are problem people also. If reliability can't be accepted or achieved, regardless of gun error, or operator error, the XDS may not be the right firearm to to defend your life with. If one has already made their mind up it's the XDS and not his or her shooting technique, why do they still own said XDS anyway?

In my most humble opinion only .

[KellyGreen]

As of yesterday I had a round count of 1,000 in my XDS. The rounds consisted of hand loads in 230 gr. FMJ, 230 gr. lead cast and 200 gr. JHP over A#5 and Universal in moderate to heavy loads without one hiccup or FTF. I have not fired any factory loads in the gun so I can’t comment on how they function. I find that the XDS is as reliable as any of my 1911’s.

[raygunn]

3shot, Thanx........... Maybe you are correct, I dunno. I would think if it was a limp wrist issue it would happen more often or throughout my whole session. Maybe im wrong and like you say, it can happen at anytime. For the most part the pistol is good and like I said im very very accurate with it. A few others tried it at the range, maybe a mag or 2 each and no trouble. Then again there was 1 session where I shot off 100 rounds and no trouble.

I guess on my next visit I will have to decide if its me or a problem with the pistol or ammo. I understand small pistols are finicky but like one said if ya ever had to just point and shoot quickly in a life of death situation, your certainly not going to be concerned about your proper grip.

Again for the most part the pistol is great, its just these few flubs are a bit concerning.

[raygunn]

I may add that at my range, im only allowed to use non jacketed ammo
The only ammo the xds has seen is 230 gr Mastercast lead rounds

Does anyone think the ammo im using is part of the ftf's ?

[rblacks1]

My opinion is that there should be no failures during a "break in" period. To me, break in just means things smooth out, not fail. I personally do not handle this gun any different than any other gun I have owned. I don't generously lube it. I come from the line of thought that too much lube is a bad thing. So I lightly lube. I have not had any problems with my XDS. It would be nice if we could get people together to shoot these guns. People who are having problems with people who are not and swap guns for 100 rounds. Just to try to put to rest if this is a people problem or a gun problem. I suspect these guns are not as close tolerence as some suggest on this website. It seems to me there may be too much tolerence differences between these guns and some are on the hairy edge, but that is just my opinion and I am not an expert at anything. I do know that for those having problems it is very frustrating and hard to gain confidence in this weapon. That is very unfortunate for the consumers of this gun. I am thankful I seem to have a good one and sorry for those who do not. After all the rounds you have fired I think it would be time to at least call SA and ask their opinion on what to do next. Just my 2 cents.

[richeyo2]

Originally Posted by 3shot

Ray, Have you had anyone else shoot that pistol?

You already know of everyone's favorite dinner table discussion: limpwristing. You can shoot 400 or 4000 rounds and have battery issues anywhere in between if not handling the firearm correctly. (speaking in general)

400 rounds? Yes, surfaces are mated pretty well. I just can't help but think your's may be a grip issue. Of course IMHO only! Only way to confirm is to ship her out to SA.

On a second topic:

People will now say "what good is a gun that has to be gripped a certain way to fire in life or death?". Well, there is some truth in that. This gun, for whatever reason is whoopin' alot of @$$ around here with lightstrikes. If one just can't make it function 100% for whatever reason excluding a true mechanical failure, it is in their best interest to keep practicing. If that means paying for a true professional (not my best friends cousin who thinks he is)Oh well, money well spent. This is one's life we are talking about. NOT a weekend plinking session with some FTF's. It has to go bang 100%!

Third topic:

XDS is dubbed "first of it's kind"!
Hmmmmm......, any connection to 25 year shooting veterans having light strikes with theirs? I would bet there is some relevance. Some people fall right into the groove of the XDS. I am comfortable in saying the XDS is it's own platform. Some HAVE to break old routines and give the XDS what it needs to fire 100%. That however, is totaly on an individual basis! There are problem guns yes. There are problem people also. If reliability can't be accepted or achieved, regardless of gun error, or operator error, the XDS may not be the right firearm to to defend your life with. If one has already made their mind up it's the XDS and not his or her shooting technique, why do they still own said XDS anyway?

In my most humble opinion only .

+1 Agreed. Very well written IMO.

I too think the XDS & alot of small pistols for that matter are different & require more attention to grip. It's easier to limpwrist or ride the slide w/a small gun.

If you're not happy send it back to SA. I would try & pay close attention to grip & thumbs to rule out operator error before I send it back. Otherwise if you send it back & NPF it's going to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

Good luck w/your XDS.