XD Talk

Potatoeman · 07-05-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XD-9ServiceB

This a joke right??? The amount of people having FTF's is extremely small even in the XDTalk survey.

I just looked at the poll, and 9 out of 36 respondents have had a FTF = 25%

Do you think that's an acceptable failure rate ?

adroit · 07-05-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by r1derbike

adroit, has anyone removed the striker straight from the factory to look for damage? I'm also curious about your dry-fire theory as well.

There have been some great suggestions and feedback on this forum, but ultimately SA needs to step-up and get to the bottom of this, whether it is a user or gun issue.

Some of us would love to go to the range with our new XDs, but I won't fire a round until something is resolved.

Beta testing of firearms is not on my short list. I get enough of that with new software, as I'm a computer tech.

All the videos I've seen the last few months before this weapon's intro had not one FTF incident, or if they did, nothing was mentioned. Could something have changed from pre-production models?

I removed my striker before firing the gun and found slight wear.

I agree that it's frustrating to endure this. Personally, I spent enough time on this forum before making the purchase to know what I was getting into. If I didn't have other carry guns I would not have considered it. I figured it would have to go back to SA at some point, but I've been waiting six months to shoot one of the bastards, so I couldn't resist.

I'm a computer tech too, cheers!

Considering the delayed release, I'm sure something changed, but I won't speculate on what.

adroit · 07-05-2012, 02:41 PM

Hmm... Looks like I missed a couple of posts. Looks like Nate may have figured this one out already.

Post Your XDS Serial # (XS+First Three Only), Round Count and Issues/No Issues

adroit · 07-05-2012, 05:01 PM

One more theory I posted in another thread. I'm confident this is the problem. I'm just wondering what's preventing the slide from going into battery. May be related to the issue Nate pointed out.

Judging by the orientation of the strikes, they are happening either high, or low (since the line is horizontal). I'm thinking that the slide is not going 100% into battery, so the barrel is sitting just a little low. This would cause the striker to hit high and would prevent the striker from making full impact. It would also mean that the trigger bar is not fully depressing the striker safety, which would explain the wear patterns we are seeing.

Medic1210 · 07-05-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adroit

One more theory I posted in another thread. I'm confident this is the problem. I'm just wondering what's preventing the slide from going into battery. May be related to the issue Nate pointed out.

Judging by the orientation of the strikes, they are happening either high, or low (since the line is horizontal). I'm thinking that the slide is not going 100% into battery, so the barrel is sitting just a little low. This would cause the striker to hit high and would prevent the striker from making full impact. It would also mean that the trigger bar is not fully depressing the striker safety, which would explain the wear patterns we are seeing.

It's possible a thumb-high grip is causing contact with the slide and slowing it down enough to prevent a full battery lockup. Either that or the striker isn't bouncing back into the breech and the round is catching it as it's sliding up the breech face, behind the extractor.

XD-9ServiceB · 07-05-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Potatoeman

I just looked at the poll, and 9 out of 36 respondents have had a FTF = 25%

Do you think that's an acceptable failure rate ?

I know that any and every FTF was documented regardless of frequency. However at least 3 of those 9 had four or less during the first few magazines fired and haven't had an issue since. That is far different from those who have consistently had FTF's and or a failure every single magazine.

I can also tell you that the 27 remaining respondents that have not ever had issues is extremely low compared to the users with no issues countrywide. If you truly live in the world where one online forum is an accurate measure statistically you're dreaming. People with no issues that aren't regulars on this forum are not going to come here, sign up, and respond. At the same time people with issues very well may come on here and complain. So the number of issues you see are pretty accurate whereas the number of nonissues I would bet are extremely low. So yes I do See these ratios as acceptable. You have to read the stats both in context and in perspective.

XD-9ServiceB · 07-05-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stratajema

I've been following the Smith & Wesson dot com forum posts as it pertains to the Shield. I haven't seen a discussion about any of the major issues you mentioned. The most widely discussed minor issue has been about the stiffness of the new mags after stuffing in the last bullet.

Well that's your problem then. You are looking at the wrong forum. Smith & Wesson.com is the least populated S&W site out there and rarely has any relevant information.

Here Smith & Wesson M&P Pistol Forum educate yourself. Unless I'm just making up all of those issues which I had with my shield. You can also try to Google "shield issues" to see the massive number of threads that pop up.

To anybody that thinks that Smith & Wesson's polymer pistol quality is worth a **** much less on par or better than SA's you're out of your mind.

FHBrumb · 07-05-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Potatoeman

I just looked at the poll, and 9 out of 36 respondents have had a FTF = 25%

Do you think that's an acceptable failure rate ?

Hundreds of guns out there. But no, too much failure. I think it will get fixed, don't you.

FHBrumb · 07-05-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adroit

Hmm... Looks like I missed a couple of posts. Looks like Nate may have figured this one out already.

Post Your XDS Serial # (XS+First Three Only), Round Count and Issues/No Issues

The observation in that thread is worth a look folks. To give it a look, I smudged black grease on my FPB safety, and dry fired several times. I took the slide off, and he is right. The trigger bar interacts with the FPB safety just barely, and on the edge. SA would do well to make that part of the bar like a mm taller, and cant it a bit towards the center of the pistol. Although his thought process may not fix 100% of the issues, he certainly could fix some.

Minkman555 · 07-05-2012, 07:39 PM

I feel bad for the issues that are affecting a large percentage of buyers.

But I feel that 20 threads about the same thing is just going to make things even more confusing.

It's obvious that there is a problem with the XDs.

This stuff happens , a lot of new guns have issues (bodyguard, lcp,g4 glocks) when they first hit the market.

I would recommend that due to the overwealming amount of similar (and serious -- it's a CCW pistol) issues , that you just take a breath and wait for SA to issue a recall.

There is no point in getting a headache , or trying to figure out what's wrong. SA will take care of this , so just don't use the gun until at least a statement is issued on the matter.

It will be fine --