XDS vs. Khar Arms PM45

[BJHxdm3.8]

The XDS will be cheaper, the Kahr will probably be more accurate. I have
a PM 9 and that little gun will shoot. With that said I will probably pick an
XDS up later to compliment my XDm 3.8 9mm. That gun shoots darn good also.

[jeffscout]

There is no reason to think a Kahr will be more accurate than the XDs. The XD series in general is an extremely accurate platform, even the compacts and subcompacts. We routinely have sub compacts at the top of our monthly matches.

[BJHxdm3.8]

Originally Posted by jeffscout

There is no reason to think a Kahr will be more accurate than the XDs. The XD series in general is an extremely accurate platform, even the compacts and subcompacts. We routinely have sub compacts at the top of our monthly matches.

The Kahr uses Lothar Walther match grade barrels. the Xds, not so much.
The regular XD will not even hang with the XDms that also use match grade
barrels.

[jeffscout]

Originally Posted by BJHxdm3.8

The Kahr uses Lothar Walther match grade barrels. the Xds, not so much.
The regular XD will not even hang with the XDms that also use match grade
barrels.

I've been practical shooting an XD subcompact since 2005. I added an XD45C and most recently an XDm9 5.25 to the collection. Trust me when I say that "match grade" means absolutely nothing in the hands of most shooters. The regular ol' XD's outshoot most shooters. We are focused on IDPA style combat accuracy, not bullseye. I suspect the XDs will be perfectly accurate for it's intended use, just as all the XD's are.

[Cruzebc4]

I got my xds yesterday. My first 45. Took it to the range. I owns a m9 and 40 cal cz 75 tactical. I thought it shot very well for a 3.3 inch 45 cal pistol. It takes some getting use to. The recoil is not bad at all. Shot 100 rounds with no issue. I don't think it's for competition shooting but its a great pistol. I hope to get an extended mag soon.

[BJHxdm3.8]

Originally Posted by jeffscout

I've been practical shooting an XD subcompact since 2005. I added an XD45C and most recently an XDm9 5.25 to the collection. Trust me when I say that "match grade" means absolutely nothing in the hands of most shooters. The regular ol' XD's outshoot most shooters. We are focused on IDPA style combat accuracy, not bullseye. I suspect the XDs will be perfectly accurate for it's intended use, just as all the XD's are.

Yep , when ever I here somebody say it's combat accurate, that translates
into it doesn't group worth a darn. I don't equate five shots scattered all
over a paper plate with five shots through the same hole. hey they must be
equal, they all hit the plate.

[jeffscout]

Originally Posted by BJHxdm3.8

Yep , when ever I here somebody say it's combat accurate, that translates
into it doesn't group worth a darn. I don't equate five shots scattered all
over a paper plate with five shots through the same hole. hey they must be
equal, they all hit the plate.

I translate it into a balance of speed and precision, and landing shots in the A zone/COM as quickly as possible. All of my XD's do that and the XD subcompact surprises most people with how accurate it is. Would it hold up against a match grade 1911 side by side on a ransom rest? Likely not. Does it need to? Absolutely not. If you are shooting bullseye, then yes. The XDs is not made for bullseye shooting.

I stand by my assertions that most shooters have poor shooting form and bad habits such that they will NEVER see a benefit of using a match grade barrel. I see it nearly every month.

[CW45]

Originally Posted by jeffscout

I've been practical shooting an XD subcompact since 2005. I added an XD45C and most recently an XDm9 5.25 to the collection. Trust me when I say that "match grade" means absolutely nothing in the hands of most shooters. The regular ol' XD's outshoot most shooters. We are focused on IDPA style combat accuracy, not bullseye. I suspect the XDs will be perfectly accurate for it's intended use, just as all the XD's are.

Exactly. The difference in accuracy between a match grade and non match grade barrell is almost never seen when handholding the weapon except by persons of rarified ability. Aka pros.

[Cuda66]

Originally Posted by CW45

Exactly. The difference in accuracy between a match grade and non match grade barrell is almost never seen when handholding the weapon except by persons of rarified ability. Aka pros.

And unless the "Match Grade" barrel has been properly hand fitted, it won't make a big enough difference to notice, either.

A true match grade barrel has more more to do with the outside of the barrel than the inside...at least when we are talking about autopistols.

Like the "match grade" barrels on the XDm, the Lothar Walther barrels in Kahrs are just marketing to suck in those who don't know better.

[BJHxdm3.8]

Originally Posted by Cuda66

And unless the "Match Grade" barrel has been properly hand fitted, it won't make a big enough difference to notice, either.

A true match grade barrel has more more to do with the outside of the barrel than the inside...at least when we are talking about autopistols.

Like the "match grade" barrels on the XDm, the Lothar Walther barrels in Kahrs are just marketing to suck in those who don't know better.

Ya sure all hype, in YOUR eyes. I know what the groups on the target tell ME. It's good us unknowing have those that know all to set us striaght.