XD Talk

reptoid · 05-04-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ski098

Many of the competitive shooters I shoot with ride the slide stop with their thumb so that when they insert the magazine the slide falls. It's all one movement and extremely fast once perfected. Posting a video here. I've been shooting with this guy for 2 years now and he is extremely fast.

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Nice vid, but.... a much better tactic would have been to reload while moving and never have run the gun dry, cutting overall time

LagerHead · 05-04-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by reptoid

Nice vid, but.... a much better tactic would have been to reload while moving and never have run the gun dry, cutting overall time

All reloads in IDPA must be performed from behind cover. Reloading while exposed is a 3 second penalty. You are correct tactically but he is correct in the game.

PsychOfMSE · 05-04-2012, 04:07 PM

For competition using the slide lock is a great idea. For real life defensive pistol shooting in real situations it's always advisable to use the "powerstroke" method of racking your slide to chamber a round. Think about the motion you use to clear a stovepipe...it's the same motion as powerstroking a round into the chamber. You use the same motion for anything to do with the gun and it becomes mechanic. Using the slide release is a fine motor skill and it not advisable under stress in a real life situation.

Now I know people use the argument "well pulling the trigger is a fine motor skill, so why would dropping the slide with the slide lock be any different?" You want to minimize the amount of fine motor skill actions you are using when under an extreme situation such as a self-defense scenario. Another consideration is that the slide release is different for each gun. Each gun uses a different sized stop in slightly different locations. Using the powerstroke method it will work for every single semi auto known to man and there's no risk of not getting a round chambered.

Also, if you are trying to drop the slide on an empty mag it's much more difficult than dropping the slide on a full mag (using the slide lock).

Just my 2 cents.

CdnInAz · 05-04-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychOfMSE

For competition using the slide lock is a great idea. For real life defensive pistol shooting in real situations it's always advisable to use the "powerstroke" method of racking your slide to chamber a round.

I don't treat competition as training, but would you not think that what you do in comp will develop muscle memory? Therefore, I do in games (stroke slide) as I would want to do in "real life" if ever happens. Might cost me a bit of time to stroke slide in comp, compared to hitting stop, but I have other times to work on

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Originally Posted by PsychOfMSE

... Another consideration is that the slide release is different for each gun. Each gun uses a different sized stop in slightly different locations. Using the powerstroke method it will work for every single semi auto known to man and there's no risk of not getting a round chambered.

yep, this is reason I was taught to simply just rack the slide, it will always work on any gun

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Originally Posted by PsychOfMSE

Also, if you are trying to drop the slide on an empty mag it's much more difficult than dropping the slide on a full mag (using the slide lock).

not sure why would drop on empty, especially not in any rush situation - game nor real life. I don't drop my slides on empty - I've read and heard people say a good gun should be able to handle that - but I think why take the risk if not needed.

PsychOfMSE · 05-04-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CdnInAz

I don't treat competition as training, but would you not think that what you do in comp will develop muscle memory? Therefore, I do in games (stroke slide) as I would want to do in "real life" if ever happens. Might cost me a bit of time to stroke slide in comp, compared to hitting stop, but I have other times to work on

yep, this is reason I was taught to simply just rack the slide, it will always work on any gunnot sure why would drop on empty, especially not in any rush situation - game nor real life. I don't drop my slides on empty - I've read and heard people say a good gun should be able to handle that - but I think why take the risk if not needed.

Yup, I rack my slide in competition as well just because I practice for IDPA with my EDC weapon and need as much muscle memory with it as possible.

Was just thinking that if his slide is that hard to drop maybe he's sitting around the house dropping the slide on an empty mag and wondering why it's so difficult to drop. Just troubleshooting!

reptoid · 05-04-2012, 06:36 PM

Looked to me like he was behind cover after two steps??, and in a real life situation, it's a very good idea to never run your gun dry

PsychOfMSE · 05-04-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by reptoid

Looked to me like he was behind cover after two steps??, and in a real life situation, it's a very good idea to never run your gun dry

Technically you are not allowed to run with a locked slide in idpa.

Ski098 · 05-29-2012, 02:45 PM

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Looked to me like he was behind cover after two steps??, and in a real life situation, it's a very good idea to never run your gun dry

Another IDPA foible. If you have rounds left in the gun you have to retain the magazine. So even though he made it behind cover, it was a good call using the slide stop reload later in the stage. Or else he would have had to eject a magazine, stow that partial magazine on his body, and then do a normal magazine reload. If you have 3 steps behind cover it can be done, but he had less room than that to work with.

Another "Not so Great" rule, but it enforces reloading when you are able to, but do not leave behind ammunition you may need at some point in the future.