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fredj338 · 05-10-2008, 11:34 AM

Back in the day, Barsto was one of the few suppliers of semi & custom bbls. for diff. pistols. Today there are a few other players & most are very good. I have a SL in my USP & it's very accurate. I also have Barsto in my 1911 & BHP, accuracy is scary, the single best thing you can do to a stock BHP IMO is add a Barsto bbl. It's not just "bling".

Jim B · 05-10-2008, 12:45 PM

I wish I had the link, I was reading about some barrel manufacturer in Europe (I THINK it's a German mfg?). They design and test their barrels in a jig....not in a pistol frame....they are a BARREL manufacturer not a pistol manufacturer, their intent is to make very high quality barrels (for race guns as I recall). Their achieved accuracy was something like 2" at 50 yds, it might have even been better than that, but as I said, if I had the link I'd be referencing it here so people could look it up themselves. I thought jig testing was very very ingenious. After all, if the barrel is capable of that kind of accuracy in itself then the next step is to mate it to a a slide/frame assembly to allow it to continue to continue produce those results as closely as possible.

Obviously we all know the variables such as those introduced with different cartridges have to be optimized, so if we assume the optimum load/bullet/etc/etc has been obtained (for us who are reloaders), it remains that barrel manufacturers and gunsmiths who want to produce a product that shoots as consistently as possible and properly fit them will give us better accuracy.....but % wise, how much for a given cartridge over a stock barrel. Personally, and this is just me.......I'd love a pistol that has a match/race gun grade barrel, properly fitted to my frame and coated with the same finish as the rest of the pistol.....it would drive tacks but look stone stock........but then I like older looking cars with oversized high performance engines/drive trains in them, too

J

dsonyay · 05-10-2008, 10:49 PM

You are probably thinking of Lothar Walther barrels. They make terrific airgun barrels but I don't know much about their barrels for centerfire/rimfire.

You can't see it very well, but the group in my avater is typical of what my XD does from sandbags. I still have a stock barrel in my XD45 Service and it shoots about 1.5 inches at 25yds from sandbags. I've done it over and over since owning the gun. Wish I could shoot like this unsupported! I too thought about getting a match grade barrel, but not as long as the stock barrel shoots like this. I think mine is a freak of nature. Not sure if any others have this sort of accuracy.

btw: that is 3 shots, not two. This target was shot at 12.5 yds not 25.

dgt · 11-04-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nateroach

... while Storm Lake is some what of a new comer to the barrel industry. My question is: Is the Bar-Sto barrel that much better than the Storm Lake/PG barrel to justify the nearly $100 increase and 10-12 week lead time?

Nate, Storm Lake Barrels has been manufacturing barrels since 1983. We are definitely not a newcomer to the industry. In fact, it is not unlikely that you may possibly have used one of our barrels and did not even know it, as we have been and still are the barrel supplier to several well known and highly respected gun manufacturers. As for quality comparison, we prefer to let the product speak for itself. We personally believe the quality of our product to be second to none, regardless of price. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at sales@stormlakebarrel.com or telephone toll free 866-392-1654. You can also see our entire barrel catalog at Handgun Barrels 1911 Glock Springfield Sig Sauer - The Official Website of Storm Lake Barrels - Available in Canada and USA.

David -- Storm Lake Barrels

XMM · 11-04-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgt

Nate, Storm Lake Barrels has been manufacturing barrels since 1983. We are definitely not a newcomer to the industry. In fact, it is not unlikely that you may possibly have used one of our barrels and did not even know it, as we have been and still are the barrel supplier to several well known and highly respected gun manufacturers. As for quality comparison, we prefer to let the product speak for itself. We personally believe the quality of our product to be second to none, regardless of price. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at sales@stormlakebarrel.com or telephone toll free 866-392-1654. You can also see our entire barrel catalog at Handgun Barrels 1911 Glock Springfield Sig Sauer - The Official Website of Storm Lake Barrels - Available in Canada and USA.

David -- Storm Lake Barrels

Dude, Nate miiiiiight not be tuned into this thread anymore. This thread is like 18 months old.

It's now an exhumed ZOMBIE thread!!!!!!!!!

BTW, I have never had any problems with Storm Lake barrels.

TG13 · 11-05-2009, 01:21 AM

Bohler-Stahl makes the stock barrels for HS-Arms..

HS America read "slide/barrel"..

Bohler Uddeholm materializing visions they've been making barrels for centuries in Austria.. they've supplied barrels to Sig Sauer, Merkel, Ernst Kerner & Company and quite a few others..

here's a shotgun that is a Bohler at Cabela's.. Bohler Stahl, 12 Gauge, O/U German Guild Shotgun, European Shotgun Gun Library : Cabela's

they also supplied barrels for the M24 Mosin Nagants.. How to Recognize Different Variations of Mosin Nagant Rifles

some history on Bohler..

BÖHLER-UDDEHOLM AG: Information from Answers.com

"Böhler's own history reached back even further than that of Uddeholm. The earliest part of the Böhler group stemmed from the opening of a hammer forge in Kapfenberg, part of the early Austrian empire, by Arnold Taubenprunner in 1446. The Kapfenberg site played host to an important center of the Austrian empire's steel industry, developing into a modern steel mill by the mid-19th century.

That era also saw the arrival of a new range of competitors, one of which appeared in 1854, with the founding of a hot-rolling mill in Bruckbach on the river Ybbs by Josef Liebl. The Bruckbach site launched production in 1855. In 1870, Albert and Emile Böhler purchased the Bruckbach mill, laying the foundation for one of Austria's major steel producers.

The company's original name was Gebrüder Böhler & Co. Over the next decades, Böhler expanded strongly, in part through acquisition--in 1894, for example, the company acquired the Kapfenberg mill. In 1940, Böhler acquired the Gerstlmill, which specialized in the production of cold-rolled strip steel and galvanized steel. Böhler played a significant role as an Austrian steel industry innovation leader. In 1900, the company introduced Böhler Rapid, one of the first high-performance, high-speed steels.

Then, in 1908, Böhler became the first in Austria to build an electric arc furnace. Whereas that furnace was rated at just three tons, in 1910 the company opened a new hammer forge with a hammer weight of 30 tons. The need to boost production during World War I led Böhler to build a new facility boasting six 30-ton furnaces in 1916. In that year, the company expanded its rolling mill as well.

Following the war, Böhler began developing new products, such as blank welding wire, introduced in 1926. Welding consumables then became an important part of Böhler's operations, particularly after the company developed a new type of welding wire, called core wire, in 1927. The buildup to World War II led Böhler to open a new facility, a steelworks at Deuchendorf, in 1938. By 1944, the company had expanded its capacity again, installing a press with a force of 1,200 tons. Yet World War II, and especially its aftermath, were to have far-reaching consequences for Böhler.

Following the war, the Soviet Union launched a policy of confiscating the "German-owned" businesses within its zone of control. Because of Austria's active participation in the **** alliance, a large number of Austrian companies, including Böhler and other members of the country's steel industry, now fell under the Soviet Union's definition of a German-owned company. This definition included all businesses founded in Austria following the Anschluss of 1938, as well as companies that had been taken over during the war years by the German-Austrian government.

Altogether, the businesses threatened by the Soviet Union's confiscation program--which involved the stripping bare of these businesses, transporting their machinery and equipment for use inside the Soviet empire--accounted for some 20 percent of Austria's total economy. In addition to the steel industry, the "German" definition targeted the country's banking industry, including its three largest banks, as well as its coal and metals mining industry, its oil refining and extraction businesses, as well as the country's leading industrial companies.

The Austrian government reacted quickly, passing new legislation in 1946 nationalizing all of its "German" companies. Yet the first Nationalization act, while protecting the businesses in the zones controlled by the British, French, and Americans--which respected Austria's claim--remained ineffectual in the Soviet zone.

The nationalization of the remaining industries and businesses nonetheless gave the Austrian government oversight of the distribution of reconstruction aid provided by the United States in particular. In this way, the government was able to subsidize its nationalized businesses and aid in the reconstruction.

Over the next decades, government control proved less than efficient; after a number of crises, the government instituted a series of reforms in the 1960s, leading to the creation of a new public limited company, Osterreichische Industrieverwaltungs AG (later Osterreichische Industrieholding AG, or OIAG), in 1970."

so.. there is some serious history to the simple "stock" barrels in our XDs..

05-10-2008, 11:34 AM	#11
fredj338 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,753	Back in the day, Barsto was one of the few suppliers of semi & custom bbls. for diff. pistols. Today there are a few other players & most are very good. I have a SL in my USP & it's very accurate. I also have Barsto in my 1911 & BHP, accuracy is scary, the single best thing you can do to a stock BHP IMO is add a Barsto bbl. It's not just "bling". __________________ EVERY GOOD SHOOTER SHOULD BE A HANDLOADER!
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05-10-2008, 12:45 PM	#12
Jim B XDTalk Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: MI Posts: 92	I wish I had the link, I was reading about some barrel manufacturer in Europe (I THINK it's a German mfg?). They design and test their barrels in a jig....not in a pistol frame....they are a BARREL manufacturer not a pistol manufacturer, their intent is to make very high quality barrels (for race guns as I recall). Their achieved accuracy was something like 2" at 50 yds, it might have even been better than that, but as I said, if I had the link I'd be referencing it here so people could look it up themselves. I thought jig testing was very very ingenious. After all, if the barrel is capable of that kind of accuracy in itself then the next step is to mate it to a a slide/frame assembly to allow it to continue to continue produce those results as closely as possible. Obviously we all know the variables such as those introduced with different cartridges have to be optimized, so if we assume the optimum load/bullet/etc/etc has been obtained (for us who are reloaders), it remains that barrel manufacturers and gunsmiths who want to produce a product that shoots as consistently as possible and properly fit them will give us better accuracy.....but % wise, how much for a given cartridge over a stock barrel. Personally, and this is just me.......I'd love a pistol that has a match/race gun grade barrel, properly fitted to my frame and coated with the same finish as the rest of the pistol.....it would drive tacks but look stone stock........but then I like older looking cars with oversized high performance engines/drive trains in them, too J __________________ Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. - C.S. Lewis
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05-10-2008, 10:49 PM	#13
dsonyay XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Slidell LA Posts: 106	You are probably thinking of Lothar Walther barrels. They make terrific airgun barrels but I don't know much about their barrels for centerfire/rimfire. You can't see it very well, but the group in my avater is typical of what my XD does from sandbags. I still have a stock barrel in my XD45 Service and it shoots about 1.5 inches at 25yds from sandbags. I've done it over and over since owning the gun. Wish I could shoot like this unsupported! I too thought about getting a match grade barrel, but not as long as the stock barrel shoots like this. I think mine is a freak of nature. Not sure if any others have this sort of accuracy. btw: that is 3 shots, not two. This target was shot at 12.5 yds not 25.
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11-05-2009, 01:21 AM	#16
TG13 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Atascocita, Texas. Posts: 268	Bohler-Stahl makes the stock barrels for HS-Arms.. HS America read "slide/barrel".. Bohler Uddeholm materializing visions they've been making barrels for centuries in Austria.. they've supplied barrels to Sig Sauer, Merkel, Ernst Kerner & Company and quite a few others.. here's a shotgun that is a Bohler at Cabela's.. Bohler Stahl, 12 Gauge, O/U German Guild Shotgun, European Shotgun Gun Library : Cabela's they also supplied barrels for the M24 Mosin Nagants.. How to Recognize Different Variations of Mosin Nagant Rifles some history on Bohler.. BÖHLER-UDDEHOLM AG: Information from Answers.com "Böhler's own history reached back even further than that of Uddeholm. The earliest part of the Böhler group stemmed from the opening of a hammer forge in Kapfenberg, part of the early Austrian empire, by Arnold Taubenprunner in 1446. The Kapfenberg site played host to an important center of the Austrian empire's steel industry, developing into a modern steel mill by the mid-19th century. That era also saw the arrival of a new range of competitors, one of which appeared in 1854, with the founding of a hot-rolling mill in Bruckbach on the river Ybbs by Josef Liebl. The Bruckbach site launched production in 1855. In 1870, Albert and Emile Böhler purchased the Bruckbach mill, laying the foundation for one of Austria's major steel producers. The company's original name was Gebrüder Böhler & Co. Over the next decades, Böhler expanded strongly, in part through acquisition--in 1894, for example, the company acquired the Kapfenberg mill. In 1940, Böhler acquired the Gerstlmill, which specialized in the production of cold-rolled strip steel and galvanized steel. Böhler played a significant role as an Austrian steel industry innovation leader. In 1900, the company introduced Böhler Rapid, one of the first high-performance, high-speed steels. Then, in 1908, Böhler became the first in Austria to build an electric arc furnace. Whereas that furnace was rated at just three tons, in 1910 the company opened a new hammer forge with a hammer weight of 30 tons. The need to boost production during World War I led Böhler to build a new facility boasting six 30-ton furnaces in 1916. In that year, the company expanded its rolling mill as well. Following the war, Böhler began developing new products, such as blank welding wire, introduced in 1926. Welding consumables then became an important part of Böhler's operations, particularly after the company developed a new type of welding wire, called core wire, in 1927. The buildup to World War II led Böhler to open a new facility, a steelworks at Deuchendorf, in 1938. By 1944, the company had expanded its capacity again, installing a press with a force of 1,200 tons. Yet World War II, and especially its aftermath, were to have far-reaching consequences for Böhler. Following the war, the Soviet Union launched a policy of confiscating the "German-owned" businesses within its zone of control. Because of Austria's active participation in the **** alliance, a large number of Austrian companies, including Böhler and other members of the country's steel industry, now fell under the Soviet Union's definition of a German-owned company. This definition included all businesses founded in Austria following the Anschluss of 1938, as well as companies that had been taken over during the war years by the German-Austrian government. Altogether, the businesses threatened by the Soviet Union's confiscation program--which involved the stripping bare of these businesses, transporting their machinery and equipment for use inside the Soviet empire--accounted for some 20 percent of Austria's total economy. In addition to the steel industry, the "German" definition targeted the country's banking industry, including its three largest banks, as well as its coal and metals mining industry, its oil refining and extraction businesses, as well as the country's leading industrial companies. The Austrian government reacted quickly, passing new legislation in 1946 nationalizing all of its "German" companies. Yet the first Nationalization act, while protecting the businesses in the zones controlled by the British, French, and Americans--which respected Austria's claim--remained ineffectual in the Soviet zone. The nationalization of the remaining industries and businesses nonetheless gave the Austrian government oversight of the distribution of reconstruction aid provided by the United States in particular. In this way, the government was able to subsidize its nationalized businesses and aid in the reconstruction. Over the next decades, government control proved less than efficient; after a number of crises, the government instituted a series of reforms in the 1960s, leading to the creation of a new public limited company, Osterreichische Industrieverwaltungs AG (later Osterreichische Industrieholding AG, or OIAG), in 1970." so.. there is some serious history to the simple "stock" barrels in our XDs.. Last edited by TG13; 11-05-2009 at 01:24 AM.
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