Very light primer strikes....

[Tripledigitride]

I have a question.....While we're on this subject, is one trigger kit (sear, trigger bar and springs) better than the other?

[rgeliske]

Originally Posted by Tripledigitride

I have a question.....While we're on this subject, is one trigger kit (sear, trigger bar and springs) better than the other?

I have installed both kits and my experience is that they produce different results. The Powder River Kit requires changing the striker safety lever (#25) and also provides 2 setscrews for modifying the trigger bar. The safety lever can actually be installed without a full dis-assembly of the sear group and is truly a drop in part.

Bob's Sear Kit requires dis-assembly of the sear group and changing the sear (#10), sear spring (#13), and trigger bar spring (#9). Bob's kit does provide a sear spring and a trigger bar spring but I did not notice enough reduction in trigger effort to be able to tell if these are lighter springs or not. Bob's kit does not provide anything to modify the trigger bar but Springer does make a modified trigger bar that can be used with either kit or you can purchase setscrews and modify the factory trigger bar yourself.

For me I got the most dramatic results with the Powder River Kit which reduced the trigger pre-travel to almost nothing. For that reason I would only recommend this kit on a range or competition gun, this may not be the best choice for a carry/defense gun. Bob's Sear Kit is not a drop in kit a requires machining (filing) for a proper fit or you can damage the striker (#31) and the striker safety (#33). Properly fitted I think Bob's kit would leave more pre-travel possibly making it the better choice for a carry/defense gun.

The Range/Competition vs Carry/Defense gun issue are more the possible legal concerns and not weapon performance. To get the best possible the most out of either trigger kit you should modify the trigger bar but here again the possible legal concerns come into play. Both kits a good quality both material and design. It is really a matter of how you use your gun and how much pre-travel do you want to remove. I put the Powder River Kit in my XD 45 Tactical and I have almost no pre-travel. I put Bob's Sear Kit in my XD 45 Compact and have 1/8 - 3/16 pre-travel.

Note: I will may have to remove Bob's Kit from my Compact due to the concerns with the striker safety. The XD Compact is my primary carry weapon when working and I can not afford any possible failure so I will probably go back to factory parts and keep the added safety of the long pre-travel.

[Tripledigitride]

Originally Posted by rgeliske

I have installed both kits and my experience is that they produce different results. The Powder River Kit requires changing the striker safety lever (#25) and also provides 2 setscrews for modifying the trigger bar. The safety lever can actually be installed without a full dis-assembly of the sear group and is truly a drop in part.

Bob's Sear Kit requires dis-assembly of the sear group and changing the sear (#10), sear spring (#13), and trigger bar spring (#9). Bob's kit does provide a sear spring and a trigger bar spring but I did not notice enough reduction in trigger effort to be able to tell if these are lighter springs or not. Bob's kit does not provide anything to modify the trigger bar but Springer does make a modified trigger bar that can be used with either kit or you can purchase setscrews and modify the factory trigger bar yourself.

For me I got the most dramatic results with the Powder River Kit which reduced the trigger pre-travel to almost nothing. For that reason I would only recommend this kit on a range or competition gun, this may not be the best choice for a carry/defense gun. Bob's Sear Kit is not a drop in kit a requires machining (filing) for a proper fit or you can damage the striker (#31) and the striker safety (#33). Properly fitted I think Bob's kit would leave more pre-travel possibly making it the better choice for a carry/defense gun.

The Range/Competition vs Carry/Defense gun issue are more the possible legal concerns and not weapon performance. To get the best possible the most out of either trigger kit you should modify the trigger bar but here again the possible legal concerns come into play. Both kits a good quality both material and design. It is really a matter of how you use your gun and how much pre-travel do you want to remove. I put the Powder River Kit in my XD 45 Tactical and I have almost no pre-travel. I put Bob's Sear Kit in my XD 45 Compact and have 1/8 - 3/16 pre-travel.

Note: I will may have to remove Bob's Kit from my Compact due to the concerns with the striker safety. The XD Compact is my primary carry weapon when working and I can not afford any possible failure so I will probably go back to factory parts and keep the added safety of the long pre-travel.

I'd like to find a trigger kit that require no drilling of the frame, or addition of extra parts. Simply swap and adjust the kit parts. Something to eliminate some (not all) trigger travel, lighten the pull to about 4.5-5lbs, and reduce the reset.

[powder river]

Originally Posted by rgeliske

I have installed both kits and my experience is that they produce different results. The Powder River Kit requires changing the striker safety lever (#25) and also provides 2 setscrews for modifying the trigger bar. The safety lever can actually be installed without a full dis-assembly of the sear group and is truly a drop in part.

Bob's Sear Kit requires dis-assembly of the sear group and changing the sear (#10), sear spring (#13), and trigger bar spring (#9). Bob's kit does provide a sear spring and a trigger bar spring but I did not notice enough reduction in trigger effort to be able to tell if these are lighter springs or not. Bob's kit does not provide anything to modify the trigger bar but Springer does make a modified trigger bar that can be used with either kit or you can purchase setscrews and modify the factory trigger bar yourself.

For me I got the most dramatic results with the Powder River Kit which reduced the trigger pre-travel to almost nothing. For that reason I would only recommend this kit on a range or competition gun, this may not be the best choice for a carry/defense gun. Bob's Sear Kit is not a drop in kit a requires machining (filing) for a proper fit or you can damage the striker (#31) and the striker safety (#33). Properly fitted I think Bob's kit would leave more pre-travel possibly making it the better choice for a carry/defense gun.

The Range/Competition vs Carry/Defense gun issue are more the possible legal concerns and not weapon performance. To get the best possible the most out of either trigger kit you should modify the trigger bar but here again the possible legal concerns come into play. Both kits a good quality both material and design. It is really a matter of how you use your gun and how much pre-travel do you want to remove. I put the Powder River Kit in my XD 45 Tactical and I have almost no pre-travel. I put Bob's Sear Kit in my XD 45 Compact and have 1/8 - 3/16 pre-travel.

Note: I will may have to remove Bob's Kit from my Compact due to the concerns with the striker safety. The XD Compact is my primary carry weapon when working and I can not afford any possible failure so I will probably go back to factory parts and keep the added safety of the long pre-travel.

Thank you for the kind words. I just need to clear some things up. Although most of my levers are installed with out any fitting issue, I do not claim that my parts are "drop in" and they may need to have some fitting. Springfield does an outstanding job on the manufacturing tolerances with the XD's and I do my best with the parts I make. Some times the tolerances stack up making some minor fitting of my striker safety lever necessary.


Next the take up of the trigger job can adjusted by fitting surface B of my lever. The red line is just a reference it is not an indication of how much fitting is required.

Again thank you for the nice review. I'm glad that you have been pleased with my kit.

Daniel

[nateroach]

I just received my PRP safety levers from Daniel, and it is amazing. It removed almost ALL of the pre-travel in my .45 tac and 9mm service. I noe have about 1/8 inch of pre-travel. I didn't change the springs and I feel 100% confident with this being in my carry gun. There is no change in the weight of the trigger pull, just much less to release the striker. Now I am just waiting to get some time and drill/tap the trigger bar to eliminate the over travel.

Thanks again Daniel, your products are amazing, as well as your customer service. I ordered my parts on Monday and had them by Thursday, thats service.

[bignick31985]

To fit this couldnt you also cover the mark with a black marker, then file the sear a bit, then reinstall it. If the black mark is removed after some dry fires then you didnt go far enough?

I mean especially since you sorta do need to replace the 2 parts anyways?

Or am I totally off base with it?

[TMP]

Back to the sear for a moment.

I just got out the dremel and adjusted mine to look like the Springer sear posted earlier. It was very easy to do. Not sure if I will be able to get out tomorrow to try it or not, but I will post pics and results as soon as I get a chance. This time I will bring the factory sear for comparison and backup.

[powder river]

Originally Posted by bignick31985

To fit this couldnt you also cover the mark with a black marker, then file the sear a bit, then reinstall it. If the black mark is removed after some dry fires then you didnt go far enough?

I mean especially since you sorta do need to replace the 2 parts anyways?

Or am I totally off base with it?

I'm assuming that you are referring to the original problem with the group buy sear. This will only give you minimal clearance and as the parts wear you will see this problem reappear. It is best to modify it the sear to the drop in dimensions.

[agalindo]

Modifying the sear to OEM drop in dimensions defeats the purpose of the purchasing the sear in order to shorten pretravel. There is a medium that he can chose where there will be a short pretravel and there wont be any problems light primer strikes.

[Tripledigitride]

I'm still trying to figure out what makes on trigger kit better than the next. All the different brands, all the different prices. I wish all the makers/sellers would explain why they believe their kit is better than the next. What makes one kit worth $30-$40 more than the other?

I'm still lost.